T8……….Why can't you see i am not talking about the CHOICE begin a FREE “CHOICE”, I am talking about the WILL (ITSELF) is not FREE, becasue it is influenced and what ever you Chose it will be the result of “YOUR” WILL, and that WILL “ITSELF” is NOT FREE, even though you are give a “FREE” CHOICE. All WILLS are “driven” by  “INFLUENCES” or…[Read more]

Mike……….The LORD Yahweh was addressing a SPIRIT (INTELLECT) one of the “SEVEN” Spirits he uses to bring about his purposes in the earth, that is why it said, it was going to and fro in the earth. That is not a PERSON MIKE as you assume, it is a SPIRIT and SPIRITS are NOT persons or Beings but are aspects of PERSONS and BEINGS Created by…[Read more]

Wakeup……….So did ADAM and EVE. According to Genesis. That is what the fall of man is all about, it is about Man trying to be a GOD. The adversarial Spirit (intellect) working in EVE caused her to reason, “For God Knows that your eves shall be opened and you shall be as GODS KNOWING Good and EVIL”. and again, God said, “Look the Man has…[Read more]

EDJ……….Your putting FREE and WILL together, “DETERMINATION” is not FREE at all it is DETERMINED showing a PREDISPOSITION about something. You still thinking i am talking about the LIBERTY GOD has GRANTED us to us or “PREDETERMINED” WILLS. A predetermined Will is NOT a “FREE” WILL it is ” A “CAPTIVE” WILL or it would not be DETERMINED.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2012,03:36)Hi Gene: having a “Free Will” means to chose your path freely.Will: used to express determination, insistence, persistence, or willfulnessFree: Not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.Free Will: determination and persistence to be able to act as one wishes not under…[Read more]

T8……….Yes and that Choice is PREDICATED on something . If i offered you three pieces of Pie say a Cherry, Apple, or Berry, you would Choose the one you liked best. Now was your choice a FREE Choice or a “PREDICATED ONE” a Influenced Choice. So that is NOT a Choice you made from a FREE “WILL” But a influenced Choice. Again for the hundredth…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 04 2012,18:16)1 John 11 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched —this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the F…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 04 2012,18:23)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2012,05:23)Mike and T8……….Jesus at the time of Paul writing this was already going into heaven and so Paul was referencing his Past “EARTHLY” EXISTENCE, but you and T8 are trying to make it appear He is talking about a time Past his earthly existence as if he then existed in the…[Read more]

Mike and T8……….Jesus at the time of Paul writing this was already going into heaven and so Paul was referencing his Past “EARTHLY” EXISTENCE, but you and T8 are trying to make it appear He is talking about a time Past his earthly existence as if he then existed in the form of GOD. That is not a true rendition of what Paul was talking about…[Read more]

T8………Do you see what i am saying, i am not talking about the expression or exercising of our will allowed by God , I am talking about the very WILL ITSELF I think maybe you and other have confused what i am talking about.peace and love to you and yours brother……………………………………………………………………gene

Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2012,00:28)Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2012,05:08)No mention of 'captivated wills'?  ?EDJ………..Yes Brother, all our wills are captivated by our thoughts, and are subject to them , that is why they are not FREE. Where is say Christ came to set the captives FREE he was referencing a Person being held captive by his or her…[Read more]

To all………Show a single scripture that says there is a SATAN who is a fallen ANGEL. Would like to see that an perhaps my view may change. Scripture depicts Satan as a Serpent or  Beast, Dragon , but never as a “Fallen Angel” of any kind. Spirts are some times depicted as “PERSONS” in Scripture (SYMBOLICALLY) such as  Wisdom, Love, etc, This i…[Read more]

Samuel……..God told the Isrealites that they could Drink “STRONG DRINK” and eat whatsoever their Souls lusted for at the feast of Tabernacles. Due 14:26 Strong Drink is like Whiskey, Vodka, hard liquor, While wine and Beer is not considered a strong drink . You are right Samuel, it is the excess that is the issue. If a person has a Problem…[Read more]

Samuel………I also Agree with EDJ and MIkepeace and love to you and yours brother……………………………………………………….gene

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2012,09:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2012,03:12)Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,02:00)I hold this interpretation is flawed even though Paul's choice of words make it seem reasonable.  I am using it as an example of how false inferences can be drawn from a passage.It not only seems reasonable, Kerwin, but it is supported by…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2012,18:52)T8;If you believe you are only quoting Scriptures then you are deceived.   You are interpreting those Scriptures as you seek to know them.  The question you should be asking is whether that interpretation is from God or man.  I chose to use a false interpretation that we would both agree is false to reveal th…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 02 2012,15:49)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2012,07:30)EDJ………. EXACTLY  Therefore it is a OXYMORON becasue (NO WILL IS FREE) of influence and therefore is not FREE “itself”, What people do EDJ is confuse the Word FREE with the LIBERTY GOD has given us to do and express our “captivated” WILLS>  “Cause and effect”, every c…[Read more]

Mike ……….Because other scriptures show differently and there is no scriptural evidence of any activity of Jesus prior to his coming to existence on this EARTH. Jesus never said on word of any of a Prior existence or any prior activity , so why should i believe he had a prior existence he sure never said he did. God spoke to us through the…[Read more]

EDJ………. EXACTLY Therefore it is a OXYMORON becasue (NO WILL IS FREE) of influence and therefore is not FREE “itself”, What people do EDJ is confuse the Word FREE with the LIBERTY GOD has given us to do and express our “captivated” WILLS> “Cause and effect”, every cause has and effect, and every effect had a cause. Even our Wills EDJ.…[Read more]

Mike………..Yes Jesus did exist in Scripture before Abraham, you as well as the Jews of Christ days were thinking Jesus was speaking of his existence as a “BEING” that simply is no the case Mike, the complete context of reasoning the Jew were using was to  justify their standing with GOD, it had nothing to do with BERTH of Jesus or anyone at…[Read more]