Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 26 2012,03:07)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 24 2012,09:20)Mike……..I believe Jesus preexisted before Abraham not as a Sentential Being, But preexisted in the Plan and will of God………Well Gene,At least you are understanding “Before Abraham EXISTED” correctly.  Kerwin is trying to nonsensically change that obvious…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,02:44)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 24 2012,21:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2012,05:12)Gene is acknowledging the correct past tense “he EXISTED before Abraham DID”.Mike……..I believe Jesus preexisted before Abraham not as a Sentential Being, But preexisted in the Plan and will of God as written in scriptures.…[Read more]

T8……What you are describing is a WILL that is (INFLUENCED) by what ever circumstances, and desires in you mind  Hardly a Will that is “FREE”  at all.  A will that is “influenced” is not a will that is FREE at all . T8……Here is some scriptures to think about.John 6:44………No man can come to me except the Father draw him.So if it is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2012,07:13)Thanks to God, Dennison and Gene have the FREE WILL to decide whether or not they CHOOSE to believe in FREE WILL.  Mike……….I do not have a Will that is “FREE” God allows me “LIBERTY” or “FREEDOM” to express my captivated and influenced will Nothing Free about the working of our wills at all. IMOpeace…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2012,05:12)Gene is acknowledging the correct past tense “he EXISTED before Abraham DID”.Mike……..I believe Jesus preexisted before Abraham not as a Sentential Being, But preexisted in the Plan and will of God as written in scriptures. Jesus was a Prophesied Son of Man to come into existence by a human Berth process…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 23 2012,18:38)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 22 2012,18:59)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2012,20:06)Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,02:21)Quote The teaching from Jesus was NOT, I am CURRENTLY with you, so you should know these things.   It was, I HAVE BEEN with you for such a long time that you should BY NOW know these things.  Kerwin, w…[Read more]

Ed J……….What you gave is the definition of a WILL, not the definition of a Will that is “FREE” as you suppose. No will is “FREE” in itself. All Wills are influenced Wills and therefore can not be FREE themselves. You confusing the Liberty we have to exercise our “biased” and “Influenced” Wills. The word “FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON It is…[Read more]

EDJ………..The word used there does not have anything to do with (the will itself being FREE) it is referencing a (voluntary offering of the SELF) and that has nothing to do with the Wills themselves being “FREE” of influences at all. We all agree God give us freedom to express our (captivated) Wills, but as i have said over and over that has…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2012,20:06)Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,02:21)Quote The teaching from Jesus was NOT, I am CURRENTLY with you, so you should know these things.   It was, I HAVE BEEN with you for such a long time that you should BY NOW know these things.  Kerwin, what was Jesus saying?  (If we set aside the secret message which may or may no…[Read more]

Simplyforgiven……….You are right, the term “FREEWILL” meaning a Will that is itself “FREE” is an OXYMORON , all WILLS are driven and therefore are the result of Cause and Effect nothing “FREE” about it. Just because God give us the Liberty to Exercise our “Biased” WILLS in not way mean the Wills themselves are “FREE” that work in us. You…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 21 2012,09:09)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 20 2012,15:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 17 2012,04:08)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 16 2012,09:42)And indeed Abraham rejoiced to see His Day (a future event), that also proves Jesus had not yet come into existence, or Abraham would have already been seeing his day, becasue he would…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,07:21)Quote The teaching from Jesus was NOT, I am CURRENTLY with you, so you should know these things.   It was, I HAVE BEEN with you for such a long time that you should BY NOW know these things.  Kerwin, what was Jesus saying?  (If we set aside the secret message which may or may not be contained within, what was he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 17 2012,04:08)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 16 2012,09:42)And indeed Abraham rejoiced to see His Day (a future event), that also proves Jesus had not yet come into existence, or Abraham would have already been seeing his day, becasue he would have already been alive during his lifetime.Gene,I have rejoiced to see “The Day of…[Read more]

Terricca…………..Mortal Bodies mean “DEAD” Bodies.Rom 8: 11….> But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the “DEAD” dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from th “DEAD” shall also “quicken” (bring to life) your “MORTAL” (dead) Bodies , by his Spirit that dwells in you. Can't get anymore clearer then that, even a simpleton should…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 10 2012,11:50)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 10 2012,06:57)Pierre ………You mean a Will is related to his nature , nothing FREE about it it is a Biased Will that is working in us all , we are held captive by our will and there is nothing free about it. Your still confusing our Liberty to exercise those “Biased WILL” as the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 15 2012,10:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2012,01:16)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2012,00:21)Mike,”Before Abraham became/to become” is the words while “Before Abraham came into existence” is an interpretation of the words.  As for “I am” we have the same kind of verb in English so why change it to fit you interpretation…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2012,07:28)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 15 2012,02:33)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2012,12:47)Hi Gene,Does this verse “mean” that David knew Jesus was of more importance too…“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (HolySpirit) out…[Read more]

To all……..”.If the “Spirit” of Him (God) that raised Christ from the dead Dwell in you “IT” (the Spirit) Shall raise you “MORTAL” (dead bodies) also”. Spirits are not Mortal only physical bodies are. This show it is Physical resurrection that must take place in order for us to continue to live after we die or fall asleep as some put it . The…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 15 2012,11:32)Kerwin, I think you have a valid point. Jesus certainly said he was not a spirit when he appeared.But we do not know the full picture from our perspective. If a spirit being can take on flesh at will, then that still leaves it open that Jesus has a spiritual body in Heaven, and on Earth is able to take on flesh at…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 15 2012,00:57)IF WE DO NOT IMPROVE DAY AFTER DAY ;WHAT IS IT THAT AS STOPPED US IS IT NOT THE DEVIL THAT STOPS GODS WORK Terricca………….So what has stopped you from seeing the truth presented to you Pierre? peace and love……………………………………….gene