Terricca………Can't you see i have never said we do not have Freedom to EXCERCISE our WILL, i have never denyed that , I am not talking about our Liberty to use our Will I am talking about the WILLS themselves . Why can't you people understand that?peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,08:41)Gene if you read the text and order of events as recorded in the gospels, then the indisputable order is this, as it is written:EXISTED in the FORM of God > Emptied himself > Came in flesh > Died > Ressurected > In the glory he had with the Father before the world began.You clearly oppose this while we accept it.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,08:32)Quote (clyde @ Nov. 01 2012,09:24)WOW, I have been off here for 6 months and the same arguments by the same people continue. What is the fruit of that? How does that help me become like Christ?It proves that there are people who are obstinate and cannot change even in the light of scripture.No it doesn't help you…[Read more]

T8……….He hath him sealed and again   nO man “CAN” come unto me “except the Father “Draw” (drag) him. So where is yopur so-called “FREEWILL” in those Operations of Salvation. Again as i have said over and over here your confusing our Liberty to express our Wills with the Will (themselves) being Free, Produce one scripture that say we have a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,08:12)Gene are you too proud to admit humans are free to choose.Are we not told to choose between God and money.Are we not told to choose this day whom we will serve.Are we not told to choose between the flesh and the spirit.Face it, your view is wrong because as believers we all have to choose between the spirit or the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,02:38)Hi Gene,The words 'captivated will' or 'influenced will' are not in the bible; only “FreeWill”.Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own FreeWill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.God blessEd J (Joshua…[Read more]

Quote (clyde @ Nov. 01 2012,06:24)WOW, I have been off here for 6 months and the same arguments by the same people continue. What is the fruit of that? How does that help me become like Christ?clyde……….I know your concern, but also remember Jesus told us to have SALT in our selves also and maintain Peace. To me the subject of Jesus…[Read more]

T8………So which one is it , Form or Nature , according to Strongs the word comes from the Greek (morphe) which is better translated as “Nature” of God. Which shows us that Jesus had the “nature of God “in” him, and how is that if not by the Spirit of God Dwelling (IN) Just as he said it was over and over. believe you not that the Father is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2012,08:48)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 28 2012,10:12)Tell us Mike why don't you seek scripture harmony that shows Jesus was a “SON OF MAN”, he seemed to think he was saying it over and over many times.Once again Gene (for about the 100th time), none of us have ever said that Jesus was NOT the Son of Man.There is NOTHING…[Read more]

Sd j……….I think i have answered you question, Jesus set us free from Sin that controll our lives, he has come to set the “captives Free” what do you think we are set free of if not the sin that captivates our minds and therefor our wills. The problem you are thinking you will is total “FREE” and that is apsolutly not true, you and me will…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2012,06:24)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 29 2012,01:19)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,00:08)Ed j……..We atre set Free from Sin which captivates our desires and “causes” us to will for that which is wrong. Aain that it self should show you our Wills are Biased and are not free of Influences as you suppose they…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 29 2012,06:19)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,00:08)Ed j……..We atre set Free from Sin which captivates our desires and “causes” us to will for that which is wrong. Aain that it self should show you our Wills are Biased and are not free of Influences as you suppose they are. Any influence on a Will causes it not…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 29 2012,19:42)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,08:54)The bible doesnt teach falsely, you and Mike and T8 do concerning Jesus preexistence as a sentinel Being before his berth on this earth.The bible teaches that he existed in the form of God before coming as a man. This is what we believe.Replace the words 'sentinel being' with…[Read more]

2besee……….Jesus was in deed the “beginning” of a Creation of the sons of God from the creation (OF) Man to “inheiret etenal life, the First raised from the dead from all creation to that state. Notice where it also say He is the First (and) the Last, what does the means?. It means that the last into the kingdom of God will be exactly like…[Read more]

Ed j……..We atre set Free from Sin which captivates our desires and “causes” us to will for that which is wrong. Aain that it self should show you our Wills are Biased and are not free of Influences as you suppose they are. Any influence on a Will causes it not to be “FREE or it simply would not be influenced at all if it were truly Free.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2012,03:59)geneQuote geneQuote Mike believe me brother you are completly indoctrinated into a false teachings, how could that be possible Mike ,t8,and me are ONLY rely on scriptures,and so are only indoctrinated by the word of God;would you insinuate that the BIBLE TEACHES FALSELY Terricca………The bible doesnt teach…[Read more]

Mike………..Fact is you and T8 and Pierre, are the ones who lack Scriptural “harmony”. You force the texts to say what in fact it is not saying at all, Kerwin is far more right on this matter then you all are. Tell us Mike why don't you seek scripture harmony that shows Jesus was a “SON OF MAN”, he seemed to think he was saying it over and over…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2010,10:39)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2010,10:00)Terriaricca……….So why don't you try it for a change i am sure we would all appreciate it here.peace and love……………….genegeneif you show truth i and all the others will see it PierreTerricca………..Did they “ALL” see the Truth Jesus was…[Read more]

Terrica……….What about DETERMINANISM dont you understand, If some is DETERMIND it is NOT “FREE” THOUGHT> but a captivated thought. Think ablut it Pierre.peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………………………..gene

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 26 2012,14:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 25 2012,22:51)I agree Ed.  This is a crazy topic.  I might exercise my free will to get out while the getting is good.  But not until I make this comment to Dennison:I hear what you are saying, D.  In the case of Pharaoh before the exodus, his will was controlled by God to a poi…[Read more]