Mike…..Are we clear on the English word (WAS) yet?   As meaning coming to (be) or exist a certain way, but not nessarely meaning that it “always”,  was that way?  Can you allow your mind to even consider that possibility IN Genesis 1v2 ?

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Mike even the word (was) in  English  does not mean it “always” existed that way.  Example,

The car “was” red doesn’t mean it “now”  is red.  But at one time it became or came to be red.

The apple was red, or ripe, of dosen’t mean it now is , it just mean at a time it became those things.

Let’s,  let the English definition settle this ok.…[Read more]

BEREAN……No,  in the begining was step one and in that step God created the heavens and the earth,  that had nothing to do with a single day or day one,   As you falsely assume. Heaven and earth was already in existence when the Spirit of God moved upon the waters, so it could have not been created later right? Common sense 101.

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Mike…… but yes it would make sense to say the hand of God became against Isreal,  when you consider it was not alway against Israel right,  this show a process had taken place over time.  We all know God was not “always”   against Israel.  Right?   So this could also apply to this earth as “becoming” or coming to be, (to-hu and bo-hu ) right? …[Read more]

Mike……I would like you to focus on a single word for a change,  the word used in Gen 1v2,  “And the earth (was)   this word came from the Heb word ”  (haw-yaw) . Strong H1961

Haw-yaw …….A primitive root meaning,  to exist, that is, , (be “OR” become, or came to pass) to be to-hu and bo-hu (meaning empty) ; a vacuity, that is (superf…[Read more]

Berean…….If you believe Jesus is God, you are a novice,  and haven’t began to understand the truth yet.  Jesus is indeed the word of God, that came into being when he was born on this earth exactly as we are  , yes he was “the prophesied ” word “FULFILLED”, , but he himself is not God the Father’s word (himself), just as he said he was…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….what makes you think being a partaker of the Devine nature,   makes you not a human being?  All who have the Spirit of the living God have the Devine nature in them.  Any human being who has been “ANOINTED” with the Spirit of the living God , has it.

How does that change, the idea of,  Jesus having partaking the “Devine natu…[Read more]

LU……..AZ I have said , I was a grape farmer for many years, I think I know how a vine work’s more then most .  THE VINE in the parable is Jesus, who came from the “root ” of Jesse and was an “offspring” of the family of King David,  just as he  said he was.   Rev 22: 16. 

Isa 1v1……” and there shall come forth a rod our of the stem of Jes…[Read more]

Mike…..I also agree with LU,  IF David meant god’s, the Greek word “theos”  would have been used there.

Mike, the question is do you “truly”, believe what Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU” , the “ONLY” “TRUE” God”…….Why would Jesus use the word “only” , if there were other “true” God’s,  common sense questi…[Read more]

Mike,   “Hugh” problem, you still have , is your,  not understanding the word God , big or little, comes from the same word,  and is never describes the person, it describes  is “YOUR”,  relationship with any object that exists, that you “worship” and lean on for your power and strength, that’s  “YOUE” ”TRUE”, and can be anything or anyone living…[Read more]

To All…….the stumbling block is the word (WAS) that is  used there,  “and the earth was”. That word “was”, in the original Hebrew should be ,  (became) or (came to be). Exactly as eplained , it should read, the earth “became ” to-hu and bo-hu,  coruppted and void.  

Where does it say God created everything “perfect” at. Because God said it wa…[Read more]

LU……No,  the one who dress and pruns is the “vine dresser “,  the vine,  is the whole thing which includes the branches,  the dresser is God, Who owns the vine and it’s branches, and causes it to grow and produce fruit.

Jesus is the Branch which was taken from the rootstock of Jesse and King David,  Just as he said he was.  “I am the “root”…[Read more]

LU……There exists, no vine NOR HUMAN, that did not come from another (branch) exactly like it,  and there exist no branch , that did not come from another vine exactly like it also, they “ALL”, come from one planting,  of “ONE”,  God.  JESUS is a human being , a HUMAN,  FROM HUMANITY,  FROM “ONE”,  GOD, as we “ALL” are. 

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LU……Paul was saying that to the brethren in Eph 6v23.  In your last post. And Paul represent both, but not as the same person.   As you do. I do believe you know what the word (and) means right, it means two different persons, like Joe and Mike . The are not the same .

Neither is the Man Jesus and God the Father , they may be doing the sa…[Read more]

LU……Please show us,  a scripture that say that Jesus was more then a “man”.  I have yet to see it written anywhere in scriptures.  But I do see where he said , he said if I believe , “we could do greater works then he did” .   How does that fit in with your , “greater the a man”, theology?

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LU……Do you “truly”believe Jesus ? ,  then listen to him,  “hear “O”  ISREAL, the LORD (YEHEOVAH ) “OUR” God , is “ONE”  LORD”  , Jesus said that , and the word “OUR” is all inclusive and always includes the person speaking .

Do you “truly ” Believe Jesus ? , then listen to him, “I am going to my Father and your Father, my God, and your Go…[Read more]

Proclaimer……..good videos, I also believe things must change in our nation, TO much corruption going on in our government,  we have the worst,  top leadership,  in our nation today,  then I ever saw here.  OUR God said, ‘” for the leaders of this people  have caused them err, and they that are led of them, are destoryed ” ,  Isiah 9:16  …[Read more]

Carmel……What Frank Nelti said He learned from Herbet Armstrong, .i.e, “wwcog”,  40 years ago.  I believe also that Genesis 1v1&2 is saying and meaning that, “in the beginning” (of the whole universe, including the heavens and the earth),  God the Father created it,  And that verse 2, is saying  that the earth  became or (came to be),  to-hu…[Read more]

Mike…….What you are quoting is talking about the creation of man, not the whole creation itself. Your grabbing straws , scriptures plainly show man was not the first thing God created, Scripture say’s “In the (beginning) God created the (heaven) and the earth.  you must establish what “beginning” it is speaking of, was it the beginning of t…[Read more]

..Mike……We’re not talking about other places in scriptures, we are talking about the language used in Gen 1v1&2,  non of that even has the words,  “he created THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH on the (FIRST DAY) in it”, that is something you have added to that text.  Even the text you quoted in Exodus dosen’t say he created the “heavens” and earth in…[Read more]