Mike……….I have addressed them, with the exception of this, in John 1:14 notice the text where it says, (“and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father”,) that was added to the original text by a “trinitarian translator: who is a Preexistences as you are> Many scriptures are tweaked to make it appear like Jesus was…[Read more]

Marlin1……..I also believe we are given choices too, based on our Faith, Knowing this that the trying of your “faith” is more precious then gold. I think you example of the Indian Chief is good also , Because the more we feed on the Spirit and Word of God the stronger we do become. Faith seems to be varable much like a fuel that keep us…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 08 2012,19:53)Verse 9:  Was God Himself coming into the world?Mike Yes, The one and only God YHVH was coming into the world, as he is the light which John spoke about, the light was coming into the world, but the only way that he could do that was through his own Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said that God was IN HIM and yet…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 08 2012,22:20)I do not usually read any of the early church writings, but I just happened to stumble upon this while i ws looking for something else: It is by a St Irenaues 1st or 2nd century, and it says that God alone created, not any Angels nor any other gods, nor any other being but only the one God, through his own spoken…[Read more]

Carmel………Jesus gave up his will to the Fathers will so in that sense they are one , just as if you were to give up your will to God the Fathers will you would be one also. When Jesus said him and the. Father were one he did not mean one and that same person, but one in agreement . If Jesus was the same being as the Father then how could he…[Read more]

Carmel………Jesus gave up his will to the Fathers will so in that sense they are one , just as if you were to give up your will to God the Fathers will you would be one also. When Jesus said him and the. Father were one he did not mean one and that same person, but one in agreement . If Jesus was the same being as the Father then how could he…[Read more]

Mike …..All this dancing around the true issue. Answer me this one question if you can. Have you ever seen a word that was flesh?, if you cant answer that simple question then there is no point even discussing this matter with you.Point two, if God the Father was (in) Jesus as he said he was then who was speaking (through) him. What does this…[Read more]

Marlin1…..Jesus said no man can come unto Me unless the Father DRAW (greek drag) Him. So to me that means that we do not have within ourselves the power to Chosse by our will to go to Jesus. Another point i would like to bring out Here is that Jesus was basicely saying the rich man simply did not have the faith to make that choice to follow…[Read more]

Marlin1……….Show me a scripture that says “man has a free will” I have not yet seen it. All wills are Driven by a person desires and that, as you say, those desires are to sin, by way of Creation, being made a sinner , then how could man desire anything else but to sin. and why would God have told Cain to Master what he could not have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2012,11:41)Quote (jammin @ Dec. 14 2012,02:36)if i will follow your argument, all god should be GODtherefore they are like the fatherYes jammin,In the earliest Greek mss, all gods were called “THEOS” – in all capital letters.Later, in the “miniscules”, the copyists switched from all caps to all lower case letters.There…[Read more]

Marty………….I also agree with both those posts.peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 13 2012,11:15)Quote Marlin1……….Scripture say Sin entered into the world through Adam No where does it say we are born sinners in scripture Maybe i misse seening it if Please post it to me.John said this about all that is in the World…..> All that is in the World , the Lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 13 2012,16:55)Quote LORD GOD said unto my human “Lord” (Jesus), sit on my right hand or side untill I (the LORD GOD) which is the inly GOd there is, make your enimies you foot stool. Gene,let's start:Read Acts 2: 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly, that God hath made BOTH LORD AND CHRIST, this same…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 14 2012,12:40)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 13 2012,09:02)Mike, Mike, Mike, ……….So have you ever seen a WORD Become FLESH is that possible are your words FleshI've never actually seen God or Jesus either.  Should we just assume that they don't exist because we haven't personally seen them?Besides, Jesus is called “the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,10:38)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2012,08:50)Mike………..Look up the meaning of (became) and you will find it means “came to be”………………….Yes Gene,I agree that “became” can also be worded “came to be”.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2012,08:50) …….now what came to be in the flesh man Jesus at…[Read more]

Mike……….All that dancing around, the Fact is, GOD and His words are one and the Same thing. Just as you and your word is the same thing. Now prove to us you and your words are not the same and you may have a point. Fact is it is you and your Preexistence theology that twists the simple word of God to say what in fact it is not saying at…[Read more]

To all Sorry for the double post………………………gene

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2012,16:12)Quote (Mikel @ Dec. 12 2012,12:06)Oh, and when the Word became flesh, whose glory did he have?Hi Mike,The same glory(77) that we too will get when “The Word” is birthed in us.These next few verses should help put the pieces together as I see them.the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-pared…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2012,16:12)Quote (Mikel @ Dec. 12 2012,12:06)Oh, and when the Word became flesh, whose glory did he have?Hi Mike,The same glory(77) that we too will get when “The Word” is birthed in us.These next few verses should help put the pieces together as I see them.the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-pared…[Read more]

Mike………..Look up the meaning of (became) and you will find it means “came to be”, now what came to be in the flesh man Jesus at the Jordan river?, was it not the spirit of God, and we all know the father was (IN) Jesus he said it over and over and over, Now how was he (In) him was it not by the Anointing Spirit.?  How was God reconciling…[Read more]