Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2012,04:24)If I originally wrote “she” 2000 years ago, then please keep my words as they were written.  Don't go CHANGING them because of your own beliefs that the car was an “it”.Similarly, since John originally wrote “him”, then please keep John's words as they were written.  Don't go CHANGING them because of your o…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 25 2012,06:07)Mike, 'Autos' is 'The Same' not 'It'. It can be either 'He, She, They, or Same'. Please read my post a page back and see the links that can be clicked on. Not 'it' but 'the same'.2besee…………….if I say it is a rainy day, I am meaning the day and the it are the same thing.  IT always meaning the same as…[Read more]

Mike………Can't you see the translators changed the wording 2besee has clearly shown you that . Why try dodge his explanation ? Are you afraid it throughs your points you trying desperately to make off?Now deal with his points instead of just dancing around them OK?Hear is what you are doing , you are trying to make us follow your rasinalitions…[Read more]

Carmel……….If you believe Jesus you would believe God was “in” him but you don't believe God was “IN” Jesus, you believe Jesus was the GOD that was “IN” him. So what do you do with these word of Jesus, the son of man can do nothing of himself, the father “IN” He dothe the Works. Why did Jesus seperate himself from the Father that was…[Read more]

Mike……….Your answer is explained by 2besee above , God and His word are one and the same brother. What you are doing is allowing the (trinitarian driven) wording cause you to error. We have been over this many times before where Words chosen by translators are in many scriptures used differently. But the simplest thing i can keep saying to…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,19:44)In most versions the word Houtos has been translated as 'The same' as can be seen above. however, in the next verse: John 1-3, the word  Autos is used, which translated means 'Self; He; She; It; or The Same' but they translated it in all versions as Him.If the previous verse translated a different word…[Read more]

Mike ………..Sorry about the double post my main computer went down and so i reposted from my i pad , sorry for the screw up. gene

Mike………No to your perception of them Mike.John 1: 3 All things were made by Him IT (the word of God) and without him It (the word of God) was not any thing made that was made. (and that includes Jesus) because scripture say he was “MADE” as we are a little lower than the angels. John:4……> In him “IT” (the word of God), was life,…[Read more]

Mike……….No to your perceptions of what 3&4 are sayingJohn 1:3…..All things were made by him “it” (is the word of God) and without him “it” ( the word of God) was not any thing made that was made, ( and that includes Jesus ) scripture says Jesus was made a little lower then the angels , just like we are.John 1:4……in him “it” ( the…[Read more]

Carmel……………..Mike is right about this brother. peace and love to you and yours Charles…………………………………………………………………gene

Wakeup………The reason i call the all spirit of any kind and “it” is because Spirit is not a Person “it” is what is “IN” in a person. There are many Spirits, they come in different kinds and types. There is clean and unclean Spirit , Spirit of Wisdom , Spirit of Truth which we receive from God which is called   the comforter Spirit in the…[Read more]

MIke……..Forget the translators The singular Masculine can also be and it if attached to a simgular Item as in this case Why? Because of the preceeding text (in the Beinning) that qualified the word as a “IT” and even if you uses it as a Masculine it still is would be the representive of the one Being mention there and that is GOD himself. You…[Read more]

Mike………..Please don't ask for us a yes, no, answer because that will give you a great advantage like is stated above you did not quote the complete sentence in John 1:1, and there are specific Point we need to address in it. A simple yes, no , only put you in the driver seat. IMO We must say yes or no using our explanations for agreeing or…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 23 2012,03:41)Okay guys,It seems like Kerwin, Gene, and 2B are all running off in different directions, doing anything they can to AVOID addressing my posts.  The answer lies in the words of John, chapter 1.  I now see we will have to get to these answers verse by verse.  So, here we go again, but much sl…[Read more]

Charles…………Mike is right on this Jesus is called a Servant of God, but Jesus is never called the only true God. In fact it was Jesus himself that said for thou art the “ONLY TRUE GOD” Now ask you self what does the word “thou” or you mean , it is obvious that term means someone other then the person saying it and the word “ONLY” means…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 22 2012,09:07)His name WILL BE CALLED Jahshua (Yah saves). Yah was saving the world through the Son (Yahshua) because His spirit was in Him.The eternal Spirit came into the World.The eternal Spirit was in the World in the beginning.And the eternal Spirit is here now, still.Amen?Mike …….This is 100% totally accurate . I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2012,11:26)9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.In verse 7, we learn that John the Baptist came as a witness to testify concerning the true light that was coming into the world.  And who did John the Baptist come to testify concerning?  Mike………..That light was coming into the w…[Read more]

Mike………You have e not come to understand the Spirit if GOD was (IN) the Flesh man Jesus Doing (ITS) Worked through Him and that Spirit was the Father , He came to His “OWN CREATION” into the world and the world, HIS OWN CREATION, knew him Not. You still do not understand that God was truly (IN) Jesus . God is Spirit and can indwell a…[Read more]

2besee………..Me and Kerwin both agree with you about Jesus not preexisting his berth on this earth. This DOCTRINE of “SEPARATION” that has infected the church from the very beginning  started by the Gnostic's, and now the Trinitarians and Protestants and  JW'S. In fact There is hardly no denominations on earth that don't believe in the p…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,12:43)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 17 2012,08:13)Even Trinitarian Scholars know you can't use John 1:1 as a proof text for Jesus being mentioned in it wordings.Why not just work it backwards from John 1:14, Gene?In verse 14, we learn that someone who John called “the Word” became flesh, and dwelled on earth with the…[Read more]