Berean……..AGAIN like i told Proclaimer, You need to understand what the word “before” really means and implies,  in the actual Greek language.   It means first in place, of importance , not first in “existence”, as you people fasley preach.   Check it out you might learn something.

Peace and love to you and yours Berean…………..gene

Proclaimer……Until you truly understand what the word (dia)  in the Greek language truly means you are stuck right where you are,  even though there are many other scriptures that clarify it.  Fact is you and many here relate with Jesus on a higharcy level, and are truly unable to relate with him on a real human level.  YOUR DOING EXACTLY WHA…[Read more]

Adam…….very interesting brother.

Peace and lovecto you and yours………..gene

Berean……..Dosen’t scripture say that we “also” are made in the “image” of God?    Why do you say to me, there is a way that seems right?   When that is exactly what you people are doing, i have quotes over and over direct scriptures many of them, which were not my words but the very words of Jesus himself,  so when you say that about me , you…[Read more]

Adam….. What you said in your last post is apsolutly correct.  IF WHAT THEY SAY about Jesus is true then it would mean “nothing” to any real  human being at all, we could never relate with him on a “real human level”, it would just be like a carnavial game of smoke and mirrors . God playing deception games with humanity.  

Peace and love to y…[Read more]

Proclaimer, and all…….You need to really read what the Greek word (dia) actually means.  IT ACTUALL IS  saying that,  Jesus (as represention  of perfected humanity) was what God the Father had in mind, before he ever created any human being on this earth including Adam himself. 

Jesus is the very reason for all human creation. He is the very…[Read more]

Carmel…….No,  thats the way you people present him, NOT ME,  I see Jesus , as a human being exactly as we are, who with the power of God the Fathers Spirit,  being “in” him , overcame sin and walked a perfect life in “obedience” to God, his Father and our Father , his God and our God.  I do not take away Jesus’ hunan idenity away from him, nor…[Read more]

PROCLAIMER……But you don’t see Jesus as a “real” Second Adam,  why ?, because you give Jesus a great advantage over Adam, that advantage was a preexisting life as a perfect “non” human being. Who you  believed was “morphed”,  into a human body. 

Why would a perfect preexisting being empty himself of a perfect eternal life, and then cry out…[Read more]

Adam…….exactly right!   If Jesus was a perfect “preexisting being”  of any kind , and then come to earth “disguised” as a human being, it would prove apsolutely “nothing” to anyone. 

That is what they don’t see Adam, that if , that were the case everything Jesus did would prove apsolutely nothing to anyone, just be worthless to everyone . …[Read more]

Proclaimer, and the rest…..question is  who is your “first” love? the church of Ephesus failed this test,    Rev 2:4-5

CORRECT PROCLAIMER, you said…”Funny thing about this confusion that I have observed over the years that some denominations even ignore God the Father entirely and make it all about Jesus. This is wrong.”  That is “exa…[Read more]

Proclaimer and all…….Ok lets talke about this Son of God thing, you and others think makes Jesus different then we are as concerning his human roots goes,  and  instead of just jumping over the issue,  please for once answer this ok.

What did Jesus “not me”, tell us about this subject of being a son of God?

Matt 23: 9………”And call “n…[Read more]

Proclaimer,  you Got it backwards,  Jesus was a Son of man,  according to him over 80 times saying it, who died and became a son of God,  you, must be born again,  just as he was, and must over come just as he did, inorder to enter the kingdom of God.  

Why do you keep trying to say I M LIKE THE Muslims, when i have told you clearly,  i am not n…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….You read it verbatim, you interurpt it wrong,  why? BECAUSE YOU DON’T SEE THE VERY REASON FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE “MAN” Jesus, and his having to be “ANOINITED”, with the Holy Spirit from on high.  That is what came down from heaven and perfected the “Man” Jesus,  he was born and came into his only existence as a real human be…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….What makes you think I have any problem with Jesus being that bread sent from heaven? I don’t HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL, I have alway believed he was sent by God the Father , who is in heaven,  just as God sent Moses also, and the prophets, they were all sent from God who is in heaven, where God lives, I have no problem…[Read more]

Peoclaimer……do you mean like you adding the words,   before Abraham (“was alive”) I existed?  Or Jesus saying he  came down from heaven (“where he existed as a actual being before”) .  or as saying Jesus “IS”,  the word of God himself,  when it actually says he “is called” that, or when Jesus said clearly, “the words i am telling you are ‘NO…[Read more]

Carmel……..You of all here should not talk about adding words to our text, you can’t hardly quote a sentence with out adding your own words and thoughts to it.

Sorry Carmel, but thats the truth.

Peace and love to you and yours……….gene

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Proclaimer……. Jesus was certanily in the plan of God before the foundations of this earth, scriptures says so,  but so was all of mankind,  scripture says so,  so by that are we to asume we preexisted also? You could say that right?

Lets take Cryus, he was prophesied and even named 200 years before his birth and was called a servant of God al…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..You simply do not understand what Jesus meant by saying he was that bread sent from heaven.  Let me simplify it for you.

JESUS  said , not me!,  John 6:63……”it is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that i speak unto , they are spirit, and they are life”  

Was Jesus prexisting in heaven before his…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….I am not a Moslam never was , but you are a liar, because i do believe the New Testement,  it’s you false teachings about What it says i reject,  your views make the man Jesus appear different the his human  brothers and sister, they seperate Jesus from humanity,  which is just the oppsite of what our heavenly Father had in min…[Read more]

Berean…….everything came from heaven, including us all as well as Jesus.  Your trying to make Jesuscappear different then his brothers and sisters,  can’t you see thats exactly what Satan wants you to believe.  Why do you think Jesus called himself a son of Man so many times for.  Mankind came from God also. Jesus plainly told us not to cal…[Read more]