Berean……”soon comming”,  wrong,  those signs were here for the very start of the Church,  and remain here to this day in all of modern Christendom as bad, if not worse today.  What you believe and preach Jesus as , is a proof of it.

No one needs to look as if, it is to come , open your eyes man!,  and realize it’s been here from the star…[Read more]

Carmel…….Your still twist scriptures, Jesus never said “my” words are Spirit and are life,  he said,  “the words i “telling you” are spirit and life,  but then,  HE “ALSO” SAID,  “the words i am telling you, are “NOT”,  “MY” words, but the words of him that sent me.  Thats your pigeon! , so deal with it. 

Question still remains,  do you  “tr…[Read more]

Carmel……Do you even know what the meaning of word is?  Simplest meaning to me is  “intellegent utterance”, rather spoken or written. And belongs to whoever “originaly”  uttered or wrote them.  God and his words are One, and if i believe him and his words , i am one with him also. Just as Jesus is,,  he is “in” GOD, because God’s words are “in”…[Read more]

• Carmel……..God’s words are,  “in” him,  and are “with” him,  and “are” him, Just as your words are in you , with you, and are you, Jesus’ word are in him and with him and are him, too,  this applies to all of us, human beings also,  including the “man” Jesus,   but when any human being, or angel, or even Jesus speeks “God’s words”, those…

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Proclaimer……..I like Trucker Carlson, he says it much like it is.

Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer………gene

Carmel……GOD IS IN “ALL” LIVING THINGS, that has life in it,   BY HIS SPRIT. He is a Sprit  and can exist in living matter.  PAUL TELL US,  not me,

1 Co 6:19-20……“what? Know you not that your “BODY” is the “temple” of the “HOLY GHOST” which is “IN” you, which you have of (from), God, and you are not your own? , 20, for (because)  you are b…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….again you ignore what i ask you to do, Just make a simple Study of the  Greek word  ,  Thats a big hang up for you brother, IMO.   

By the way have you ever run across this person,  from New Zeland…..(Winkie Pratney)  i have listened to some of his sermons on, You Tube , at,   21st century Reformation.  Check it out if you get…[Read more]

Carmel………Your completely screwed up brother,  your logic is unscripturial, and is most deffinetely not of the truth. YOU SCRAMBLE OURCSCRIPTURES TRYING DESPERTLY TO MAKE THEM WORK ACCORDING TO YOUR FALSE CONCLUSIONS.

Tell me this when Jesus said this (not me)…… “i am going to “MY” God and “your” God, “MY” Father and “your”…[Read more]

Carmel…….trust me you haven’t a clue what your talking about.   But you have informed me of one thing for sure,  you said we couldn’t know God  because he is Spirit,    “Wrong a million times wrong,”   in fact unless you know the Father himself,  you in no wise will know the Son either.  Because you can’t even come to the Son, unless the <…[Read more]

.Carme………Trying to keep it simple,  please show ma a single scripture (without changing the text) that says these exact words,  “JESUS CHRIST GODMAN”.  SHOW ME ONE SCRIPTURE where Jesus ever said he was,  “a God or Godman”  , In all the  the bible both new or old testements. 

I will show you scriptures without changing then that says Jus…[Read more]

Berean……..AGAIN like i told Proclaimer, You need to understand what the word “before” really means and implies,  in the actual Greek language.   It means first in place, of importance , not first in “existence”, as you people fasley preach.   Check it out you might learn something.

Peace and love to you and yours Berean…………..gene

Proclaimer……Until you truly understand what the word (dia)  in the Greek language truly means you are stuck right where you are,  even though there are many other scriptures that clarify it.  Fact is you and many here relate with Jesus on a higharcy level, and are truly unable to relate with him on a real human level.  YOUR DOING EXACTLY WHA…[Read more]

Adam…….very interesting brother.

Peace and lovecto you and yours………..gene

Berean……..Dosen’t scripture say that we “also” are made in the “image” of God?    Why do you say to me, there is a way that seems right?   When that is exactly what you people are doing, i have quotes over and over direct scriptures many of them, which were not my words but the very words of Jesus himself,  so when you say that about me , you…[Read more]

Adam….. What you said in your last post is apsolutly correct.  IF WHAT THEY SAY about Jesus is true then it would mean “nothing” to any real  human being at all, we could never relate with him on a “real human level”, it would just be like a carnavial game of smoke and mirrors . God playing deception games with humanity.  

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Proclaimer, and all…….You need to really read what the Greek word (dia) actually means.  IT ACTUALL IS  saying that,  Jesus (as represention  of perfected humanity) was what God the Father had in mind, before he ever created any human being on this earth including Adam himself. 

Jesus is the very reason for all human creation. He is the very…[Read more]

Carmel…….No,  thats the way you people present him, NOT ME,  I see Jesus , as a human being exactly as we are, who with the power of God the Fathers Spirit,  being “in” him , overcame sin and walked a perfect life in “obedience” to God, his Father and our Father , his God and our God.  I do not take away Jesus’ hunan idenity away from him, nor…[Read more]

PROCLAIMER……But you don’t see Jesus as a “real” Second Adam,  why ?, because you give Jesus a great advantage over Adam, that advantage was a preexisting life as a perfect “non” human being. Who you  believed was “morphed”,  into a human body. 

Why would a perfect preexisting being empty himself of a perfect eternal life, and then cry out…[Read more]

Adam…….exactly right!   If Jesus was a perfect “preexisting being”  of any kind , and then come to earth “disguised” as a human being, it would prove apsolutely “nothing” to anyone. 

That is what they don’t see Adam, that if , that were the case everything Jesus did would prove apsolutely nothing to anyone, just be worthless to everyone . …[Read more]

Proclaimer, and the rest…..question is  who is your “first” love? the church of Ephesus failed this test,    Rev 2:4-5

CORRECT PROCLAIMER, you said…”Funny thing about this confusion that I have observed over the years that some denominations even ignore God the Father entirely and make it all about Jesus. This is wrong.”  That is “exa…[Read more]