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    Spock……..While you may believe that, we need to see scripture that says that, i have never seen that written in scripture that Jesus had a preexisting name of Michael, scripture only mentions Michael as an arch angel. Many people read all kind of things into scriptures that are not SPECIFICALLY said, all the time.

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    Spock……..While you may believe that, we need to see scripture that says that, i have ne er seen that written in scripture that Jesus had a preexisting name of Michael, scripture only mentions Michael as an arch angel. Many people read all kind of things into scriptures that are not SPECIFICALLY said, all the time.

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    Grasshopper. …..your definition of free is flawed, free means free, meaning completely uninhibited, uninfluinced by anything, freewill completely denies (causality) , therefore nothing is caused to do right, we simply do right on our own, freewillers simply remove God from their salvation process and give themselves all the credit for their…[Read more]

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    Spock…… so you believe Jesus was the arch Angel Michael, right?, then he will not be in the world to come, WHY? BECAUSE scripture says, “FOR HE (GOD) HAS NOT SUBJECTED THE WORLD TO COME UNTO ANGELS”

    Heb 2:5……> “For unto angels has he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.”

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    T8……your not using a freewill, you are using your predesposed mind whi h makes up your will nothing free about it. Common sense tell us our will are not free themselves, or they simply would not be a will in the first place.

    I know humans want to think their will are free for them to do whatever they choose to, but the question is, what is…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    Grasshopper. …..actually the subject of freewill, is a very important descussion, i also realize it has nothing to do with our salvation, that is why i never try to use scripture to accuse others, or from an accusitory spirit as some do here. When i talk about a subject i try to keep it on subjet matter only.

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    To all……Kerwin has it right IMO, if you would follow the exact wording PAUL USED it would show that the same body was what Paul was talking about, simply by the very word “it” he used in his wording, the word “it” was never changed, “IT” is sown a natural body, the “IT” is the body, the word natural is describing the type or nature that was…[Read more]

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    Carmel……..There is no trinity, JESUS is not a God of anykind, JESUS would not have had tobe anointed by the spirit of God if he was already a God. Jesus was a pure human being just as you and i and of himself he could do nothing just as you and i, he became a spritual son of God at the Jordan river, he was a physical son of GOD when God…[Read more]

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    T8…….God is manifested in all of creation as far as that goes. “FOR THE HIDDEN ATRIBUTES OF GOD ARE SEEN OR MANIFESTED BY THE THINGS CREATED”.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

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    T8…….God is manifested in all of creation as far as that goes. “FOR THE HIDDEN ATRIBUTES OF GOD ARE SEEN OR MANIFESTED BY THE THINGS CREATED.

    peac3 and love to you and yours…………………gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    Grasshopper……my statement about the sovernity of God, was not questioning you personal beliefs at all, but giving you my understanding of this subject matter. To me the freewill “issue” has everything to do with the sovernity of GOD IN ALL THINGS, which includes our salvation process. I realize we are not talking about your personal…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    Grasshopper……my statement about the sovernity of God, was not questioning you personal beliefs at all, but giving you my understanding of this subject matter. To me the freewill “issue” has everything to do with the sovernity of GOD IN ALL THINGS, which includes our salvation process. I realize we are not talking about your personal…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    Grasshopper……..its all simple , who saved who, did we save ourselves byour so-called freewill choices, or does God save us despite of us, are we sovereign unto ourselves, or is GOD THE ONLY SOVEREIGNTY,.

    Grasshopper go to this site “bibletruths.com, and to the “lake of fire- Part 15” and scroll down to installment xv-part A, THE Myth of…[Read more]

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    Terricca…….Very interseting how you present everyone else and then, how you present “YOURSELF”

    Have you ever thought you might be the one who is blind, trying to lead the blind? Your accusitory spirit leaves a lot to be in question, remember hypocrites will be judged also. IMO.

    peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

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    Terricca…….Very interseting how you present everyone else and then, how you present “YOURSELF”

    Have you ever thought you might be the one who is blind, trying to lead the blind? Your accusitory spirit leaves a lot to be in question, IMO.

    peace and love to you and yours………………….gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    T8……..that is exactly why i thought if you heard it from another source you might give it more consideration. Ray Smith has done an excellent job of using scriptures to prove the point, even though i have posted most of them over the years here, he has put them all together in a single presentation, for all to see. If you could see how…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    T8……..that is exactly why i thought if you heard it from another source you might give it more consideration. Ray Smith has done an excellent job of using scriptures to prove the point, even though i have posted most of them over the years here, he has put them all together in a single presentation, for all to see. If you could see how…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    T8……..that is exactly why i thought if you heard it from another source you might give it more consideration. Ray Smith has done an excellent job of using scriptures to prove the point, even though i have posted most of them over the years here, he has put them all together in a single presentation, for all to see. If you could see how…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 10 years, 7 months ago

    Kerwin, Edj, Nick, and everone else, why no takers, are you people afraid you might learn some thing, you may have never thought about before. I have said all along the whole comcept of a FREEWILL IS NON BIBICAL, AND IS the very core of human failure, it is this unscriptual idea in peoples mindes that turns them into an “I GOD” and is at the very…[Read more]

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    Nick….who ever said i follow them, why do you continue to lie about me here. I just said the writer of that artical is right, and even if i agree with the writer that obviously means i don’t agree with both of them. You are falsely accusing me, that is not healthy according to the Bible you say you believe in.

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