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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 9 months ago

    EDj……..NO, what causes it, is the proof, it is not free at all, our wills are caused to react to all kind of things ,fear, lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, our desires to do all of theses things are motivated by strong influences, and are the causes and that effect is our wills. Common sense should tell you that EDJ. If there is a cause,…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 9 months ago

    EDj……..NO, what causes it, is the proof, it is not free at all, our wills are caused to react to all kind of things ,fear, lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, our desires to do all of theses things are motivated by strong influences, and are the causes that effect is our wills. Common sense should tell you that EDJ. If there is a cause, then…[Read more]

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    Wakeup …You said, “then what does this mean”, well what ever it means, it can not contradict what God himself said about himself in Isaiah, now can it? Paul said the BEREANS were more noble then those in Thesolonica because they searched the scriptures to see if what they were being told were true or not.

    What scriptures was he talking about?,…[Read more]

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    Wakeup …You said, “then what does this mean”, well what ever it means, it can not contradict what God himself said about himself in Isaiah, now can it? Paul sad the BEREANS were more noblt then those in Thesolonica because they searched the scriptures to see if what they were being told were true or not. What scriptures was he talking about?,…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 9 months ago

    EDJ………The word used there is actually implies a voluntary act, it is not speaking about what caused that “volintary act to take place, now is it? Your mixing up God allowing us liberty to express our influenced wills with the will itself. I am not talking about what God allows here, but the actual will itself. I have many times agreed to…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop posted a new activity comment 11 years, 9 months ago

    T8……..why would a small god, be morphed into a human body and pass himself as a man in the first place, it was not a morphed perfect little God that sin came into the world by, it was a man a pure flesh and blood man, and scripture say it is by man sins must be paid for, not by a morphed human.

    First of all what you are failling to see ,…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 9 months ago

    Kerwin…….what and how i believe about a freewill is summed up exactly in what L. Ray SMITH has written, it is all laid out very clearly, in a complete presentation, to present all of that material at one time would take ten or more pages here, and i have posted much of what it says here over the years, without secess it seems, so perhaps…[Read more]

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    Wakeup……I QUOTED Heb 11:1 as the true meaning of the word “FAITH” to me that is the true definition of what FAITH IS. My point was that people today, do not look at the word “EVIDENCE” AS A REQUIREMENT FOR true FAITH. They are very gullible and easily deceived into believing all kinds of things that have no true evidence, but are the…[Read more]

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    Wakeup…….you failed to post why JESUS was able to say, “neither shall any pluck them out of his hand”, was it because of who JESUS was, or BECAUSE OF GOD THE FATHER?

    Joh 10:29….”my Father, which gave them me, is greater then all; and no man is able to pluck them out of “HIS” hand. Then he went on to say me and my Father are one, (meaning…[Read more]

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    Lu……Yes i do believe angels have physical bodies, after all why do they eat manna which is called angels food in scripture if the did not have bodies to maintain? Who would need food for a “spirit body”, as some assume they have, it takes food to sustain physical bodies of any kind, spirits do not need food, they need bodies to live…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 9 months ago

    To all……..There exists no such thing as a WILL that is FREE, if anyone is interested in the complete explination about this subject, please go to, bible-truths.com, and go to the “hell fire” paper written by, L. RAY SMITH, and scroll down to the section on FREE-WILL AND YOU WILL GET A COMPLETE BIBLE EXPLINATION ON THE SUBJECT, it…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 9 months ago

    To all……..There exists no such thing as a WILL that is FREE, if anyone is intrested in the complete explination about this subject,please go to bible-truths.com, and go to the hell fire paper written by, L. RAY SMITH, and scroll down to the section on FREE-WILL AND YOU WILL GET A COMPLETE BIBLE EXPLINATION ON THE SUBJECT, it is a…[Read more]

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    Wakeup……my point is, even if you know “about” those things, how do you “PERSONALLY” KNOW God, on a PERSONAL BASIS. DOES HE INTERACT WITH YOU? Even the pharissies know about God, but did they have a “PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM? I wonder how many here have that kind of relationship with GOD the Father, does he evidence himself in their lives…[Read more]

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    God tell us to prove him, he makes the challenge in Maliciah. Does God expect us to believe in him without actual tangible proof? Are we to believe in him just by what others say, or are we to have our own actual evidence ourselves we can draw on, that conviences us of a real living God, not just knowledge about things created that conviences us…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 9 months ago

    Terricca…….where do you come up with all these things from? I honestly don’t see how that fits what we are talking about here brother.

    peace and love to you and yours………………gene

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    Kerwin…….The word God has only one meaning, but that meaning can apply to lots of things. The original word for GOD, WAS WRITTEN IN A Hebrew “PICTORAL” LANGUAGE similar to the EGYPTIAN hyroglific language, the ANCIENT HEBREW symbolic picture for GOD, was the head of an OX (representing power) with a Sheppards staff leaning toward it,…[Read more]

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    Kerwin…….The word God has only one meaning, but that meaning can apply to lots of things. The original word for GOD, WAS WRITTEN IN A Hebrew “PICTORAL” LANGUAGE similar to the EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE, the symbolic picture was a head ofan OX (representing power) with a Sheppards staff leaning toward it, (representing what they leaned on for support)…[Read more]

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    LU…….please post a single scripture that says there are spirit “BODIES” of any kind, IF you cant find it, then you are speculating with no scripture back up. The word “spritual” body, does not mean “spirit body ” either, many presume it is saying that, when in fact it is not.

    peace and love to you and yours………………gene

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    Kerwin …..all what you posted is given in a possessive sense ,were are GOD’S BECAUSE WE BELONG TO HIM. There is no lower case gods, later translators made that happen, because in original scriptures all letters were written in upper case lettering. If we are God’s childern then we belong to him in a possessive sense.

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    Kerwin…..when s ripture says you are Gods, that is meant to be in a possessive sense, he was not actually calling them Gods themselves, but GODS POSSESIONS. Remember JESUS clarly said “FOR THOU ART THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD . OBVISELY that is saying there are no other true Gods, right?

    Peace and love to you and yours……………..gene

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