Kerwin……..if the minds is held captive, so is the will. No will works by itself apart from the mind. It is the mind that makes upour will. TELL me this why did PAUL SAY “I FIND NO GOOD THING IN MY FLESH, BECAUSE TO “WILL” IS PRESENT.” Why did PAUL relate his will as not a good thing.

REMEMBER WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT WILLS HERE BUT “FREE”…[Read more]

Kerwin……same question i ask EDJ, if our wills were free, why did Jesus come to set the captives free, why could we not just will ourselves free, seening we all have wills that are free, and if our wills are still free then what good would it do for him to set us free in the first place seening we still have freewills, it wouldn’t matter…[Read more]

Kerwin……same question i ask EDJ, if our wills were free, why did Jesus come to set the captives free, why could we not just will ourselves free, seening we all have wills that are free, and if our wills are still free then what good would it do for him to set us free in the first place seening we still have freewills, it wouldn’t matter…[Read more]

EDJ….YES ANS SO DO YOU………NOW IF WE ARE HELD CAPTIVE BY SIN THEN SO IS THE WILL. PAUL SAID CLEARLY THAT THERE WAS NOGOOD THING THAT DWELT IN HIS FLESH “BECAUSE TO WILL WAS PRESENT”. HE DIDNOT SAY BECAUSE A WILL THAT WAS FREE WAS PRESENT NOW DID HE? NO BUT ACAPTIVATED WILL WAS PRESENT HARDLY FREE AT ALL. NOT SOMUCH AS ONE SCRIPTURE IN THE…[Read more]

Kerwin……..being told by God to make a choice has nothing to do with what is causing that choice as being free from influiences, While GOD MAY REQUIRES A CHOICE IT IS APSOLUTELY A FACT A PERSON WILL ONLY CHOSE WHAT IS THE GREATEST INFLUENCE WORKING IN HIS OR HER MIND. THAT CHOICE IS NOT BASED ON ANYTHING FREE WHATSOEVER. FORCING A CHOICE ONLY…[Read more]

Kerwin……..being told by God to make a choice has nothing to do with what is causing that choice as being free from influiences, While GOD MAY REQUIRES A CHOICE IT IS APSOLUTELY A FACT A PERSON WILL ONLY CHOSE WHAT IS THE GREATEST INFLUENCE WORKING IN HIS OR HER MIND. THAT CHOICE IS NOT BASED ON ANYTHING FREE WHATSOEVER.FORCING A CHOICE ONLY…[Read more]

EDJ……..NOT REALLY, WE ARE HELD CAPTIVE BY THE THOUGHTS OF OUR MINDS, BUT WE HAVE LIBERTY FROM GOD TO EXERCISE those captivated wills. That is not an OXYMORON, TO SAY A WILL IS FREE WHEN IT “ITSELF” IS NOT THAT IS AN OXYMORON. YOU SOME HOW CAN’T seem to understand what i am saying. What do you think SCRIPTURE MEANS WHERE SAY HE CAME TO SET…[Read more]

Kerwin……..it’s not my view it is what the scriptures i have over and over quoted here is saying. Go back and read them all. I went to the site you ask me to and read much of it and most of it agree with what i have been saying imo, but i deduced my conclusions from scriptures i have quoted over and over here not on science. My argument is not…[Read more]

Kerwin……..it’s not my view it is what the scriptures i have over and over quoted here is saying. Go back and read the all. I went to the site you ask me to and read much of it and most of it agree with what i have been saying imo, but i deduced my conclusions from scriptures i have quoted over and over here. My argument is not againsts ience,…[Read more]

Camilla. …….ALL WILLS ARE HELD CAPTIVE BY what is influiencing us. Scripture says he came to setthe captives free. Andif thesonset you free you are free indeed. Now ask your self free from what, sin correct? And again whose ever sins is a servant of sin, how are we severants of sin if our wills are completey free. We are held captive by sin…[Read more]

EDJ……..PLEASE SHOW WHERE ANY SCRIPTURE SAY “WE HAVE WILL’S THAT ARE FREE” now please be specific to you own words, do not post about a man voluntaring to do something he willed to do, that say nothing about the “WILL ” ITSELF, IT DOES NOT GIVE ANY INDICATION OF THE “CAUSE” BUT ONLY THE EFFECT OF A INFLUENCED WILL. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE…[Read more]

Kerwin……makes no difference even if the koine Greek, says pre-established boundaries, that still shows control over our wills, right? How could God pre-established anything if he wanted us to have a will that was free, and we must chose from a will that was free to do anything we chose. Why would GOD WORK “IN” US BOTH TO “WILL” and do “his”…[Read more]

EDJ……WILLS, ARE NOT COMPUlSORY, THE ARE THE RESULT IF INFLUENCES, WHICH EVER INFLUENCES YOU THE MOST YOU WILL WILL to do. NOTHING free about a will at all, except the liberty God gives us to exercise those INFLUENCED wills WE have. Go read the articles on freewill i posted for you to read, if not go back and review the video you posted, only…[Read more]

EDJ…..THE VERY scripture you posred shows God “determines” there time, he also predestines certian people to be his servants, even before some were born, for It says God predestined us to be conforned unto his dear sons. The very word “PREDESTINED” IT SELF IS AN APSOLUTE PROOF that there is NO WILL THAT IS FREE, or how could there be any…[Read more]

Grasshopper……..yes but what “caused” him to want that job, it was not a will that was free of any influences, his motives for “willing” to seek that job, was “caused” and the effect was him seeking it. So did he do it out of a will that was free or a (none influenced desire), no, it had only to do with what was influencing his mind which…[Read more]

Kerwin……..WHAT EDJ is not taking into consideration is the man was already influenced to make that volintary move by pryer causes. None of that was a result of a WILL THAT WAS FREE AT ALL. EDJ as many do are getting God allowing us the liberty to excercise our captivated and influnced will as the wills themselves being free, nothing could be…[Read more]

Grasshopper………NO I DO NOT THINK GOD HAS A WILL THAT IS FREE, what does scripture say about GODS WILL, ” for God does all things after the “COUNCIL” OF HIS WILL. Now tell me what does council mean to you? Council is what influences and drives Gods will, same with us. We are counciled by what is influencing us the most and that forms our…[Read more]

Kaia……..Jesus’ will was not to die or give up his life, but “God was working in him both to “will” and do of “HIS good pleasure”. Just as he does in all his childern. Therefore two wills were there JESUS’ AND God the Fathers. The love of GOD WHICH ABIDED IN HIM “CAUSED” HIM TO DO THE FATHERS WILL, NOT HIS WILL.

Scripture also says he ,…[Read more]

Kerwin……..that is my point, most believe faith is blind and if you go by modern dictionaries you will get that also, but what does scripture say about faith and what it is, FAITH “IS” THE SUBSTENCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR, THE “EVIDENCE ” OF THINGS NOT SEEN. Now what does the word “EVIDENCE” mean does it mean hearsay or just believe anything…[Read more]

Kerwin……..that is my point, most believe faith is blind and if you go by modern dictionaries you will get that also, but what does scripture say about faith and what it is, FAITH “IS” THE SUBSTENCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR, THE “EVIDENCE ” OF THINGS NOT SEEN. Now what does the word “EVIDENCE” mean does it mean hearsay or just believe anything…[Read more]