Kerwin……you quoted those scriptures right, but then instead of excepting them as the are written, you changed the intent of wording to fit something completely different. Nowhere there does it even sujest GOD accepts man freewill choices as a means of salvatio or anything else, it clearly and precisely says, GOD CHOSES, not even a mention of a…[Read more]

Grasshopper……..sure can, because it is the comand of Jesus our Lord to preach the gospel INTO ALL THE WORLD, but even Jesus could not cause anyone to come to him, in fact it was him that said “NO” ONE “COULD” COME UNTO HIM UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW (Greek, drag) HIM.

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO TRY TO RULE GOD OUT OF OUR SALVATION PROCESS, WOULD BE…[Read more]

Wakeup…….OK, so whats your point, your trying to make in all of that?

peace and love to you and yours……….gene

Grasshopper………simple because it makes us better, and as Sons of his we all need his despline. Has nothing to do with OUR WILL’S, BUT HIS WILL, THAT IS BEING DONE. Not yours or mine. IMO

What makes you think God need us to do our own freewills, instead of HIS WILL? WHat makes you think God wants us to give him permission to do his will in…[Read more]

Grasshopper………simple because it makes us better, and as Sons of his we all need his despline. Hs nothing to do with OUR WILL, BUT HIS WILL THAT IS BEING DONE.

What makes you think God need us to do our own freewills, instead of HIS WILL? WHat makes you think God wants us to give him permission to do his will in our lives? There is ONLY ONE…[Read more]

Wakeup……you built your own story about the resurection of Jesus, Jesus PLAINLY SAID HE WAS NOT SPIRIT, BECAUSE A SPIRIT DID NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES AS HE HAD. SO HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THOSE SCRIPTURE TO MEET YOUR PERSONAL DOGMAS. You tell us to believe the word, but you alter them to meet you teachings.

As far as flesh and blood not being to…[Read more]

Wakeup……All go through tribulation, but the LORD delivers them. JESUS PLANLY SAID WE WOULD ALL BE SALTED WITH FIRE, ANd EVERY chiled of God is deciplined and he SCOURAGES EVERY SON HE EXCEPTS.

Another point is that even silver is melted in fire to be purified also. Peter told us that our faith would be tried , saying knowing this that the…[Read more]

Grasshopper, Kerwin, Carmillia,…..lets look more closely at 1 Cor 1:26-31, in verse 27 and 28, three time it say God has chosen, us, not one mention of us chosing him, not one mention of a so-called freewill choice from us, but just the oppisit,GOD HIMSELF CHOSE US, “why”, now look at verses 29-31…”that “NO” FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE,…[Read more]

Grasshopper…….have you ever thought that is why PAUL SAID , For after that in the wisdom of GOD the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the “FOOLISHNESS” OF “PREACHING”, to save them that believe”.

Now who gives that FAITH, is it not God himself? Or do you believe it comes by some kind of “freewill” we all have in us. All people…[Read more]

T8…..lets deal with you preception of repentance first, you posted a scripture that brings this out, but what you failed to bring out is who causes repentance in the first place,is it us by a will that is working free of any influence or is it God himself that “CAUSES” REPENTANCE.

ACT 5:30-31….TheGod of our fathers raised up JESUS, whom you…[Read more]

Kerwin……first of all, it is not God instructing us there, it was the apostle PAUL, SECONDLY Paul is talking to already converted christians, who have the SPIRIT of the living God “WORKING” “in” them, so they are capable of achieving those things, BY THE EFFECTUAL WORKING OF THAT SPIRIT, it has nothing to do with a will that is “free”,…[Read more]

T8…post the scriptures you are refering to, what you have posted makes apsolutely no sense at, nor you conclusions. Your pride is forcing you to grab straws again, post clear scriptures that present wills, that are free themselves. Your carnel reasionings means nothing to me, nor anyone else i believe. Deal with all the scripture i have posted…[Read more]

Kerwin……God give us our FAITH also, it is not a result of any freewill choice.

Rom 12:3…..For I say, through the grace “GIVEN” unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, according as “God has dealt” to every man the “MEASURE OF FAITH”.

The very FAITH needed…[Read more]

Grasshopper……….It’s not what I think it is what scriptures show, go and read all the scriptures i have ask brother and sisters to read that show the truth, or produce a single scripture that says we all have will that are themselves free, there is none.

You ask why then dosen’t God just cause all to seek him, what makes you think he woun’t…[Read more]

T8……so you say, you have all kind of scriptures right, so produce them, instead of just bad mouthing me and accusing me of being stubborn, lets start by where Israel was told , to chose, this day who you will serve.

Lets start first and see who chose who first,

Dut 10:15…….Only the LORD had delight in thy fathers to love them, and…[Read more]

T8………i don’t oppose freewill, because no will is free, all will’s are driven and held captive by what driving them. I said we have liberty to “EXECERISE” THOSE “CAPTIVATED” WILL’S. T8, Instead of rediculing and making all kinds of off the wall commits aimed at my person, why don’t you deal WITH all those scriptures i have over the years…[Read more]

Kerwin and Camillia…..Do me a favor, go back and reread CAREFULLY Eze 36:27, please notice what God said that, “he” would “CAUSE” us to walk in his statues, and keep his judgements. Now where does our so-called “free” will choices, CAUSED by us fit in ,if it is God “CAUSING” IT ALL TO HAPPEN?,

Again lets be clear i am not saying we do not…[Read more]

Kerwin and Camillia…..Do me a favor, go back and reread CAREFULLY Eze 36:27, please notice what God said that, “he” would “CAUSE” us to walk in his statues, and keep his judgements. Now where does our so-called “free” will choices, CAUSED by us fit in ,if it is God “CAUSING” IT ALL TO HAPPEN?,

Again lets be clear i am not saying we do not…[Read more]

Kerwin…..Right i never said you could make a choice apart from you will, that impossible, what i am saying is that that choice is not a “free” one it is based on what is driving your mind and heart, and that is hardly free at all. What is influencing you is a CAUSE, AND THE “EFFECT” IS YOUR WILL, So the will ITSELF was not and is not free at…[Read more]

Carmilla……You quoted a good scripture that says we are to make ourselves a new spirit and change our hearts, right?,but who has done that? Can a Lepord changes it’s spots, can an Etheopin his skin, no they can’t, neither can we change by our hearts and spirits by ourown freewill choices. That is why God must do it for us.

Eze 36:23-32 read it…[Read more]