Kerwin…… Motivation is what forms the will, the will is the product of what is motivating it. And of course movotation comes from what is captivating our thinking. It’s a complete process working in us Kerwin, that is why i say the will will is not free ITSELF, because it is a product of whats going on in our minds, i know you understand this…[Read more]

Kerwin. ……that is why i said over and over i was not talking about the freedom GOD HAS GIVEN US TO EXPRESS OUR CAPTIVATED WILL, BUT ABOUT THE VERY will itself. I must have said that over several hundred times,i knew what you guys were saying , that is why i was saying i am not talking about that.

Now you are wrong about saying God choose not…[Read more]

Kerwin. ……that is why i said over and over i was not talking about the freedom GOD HAS GIVEN US TO EXPRESS OUR CAPTIVATED WILL, BUT ABOUT THE VERY will itself. I must have said that over several hundred times,i knew what you guys were saying , that is why i was saying i am not talking about that.

Now you are wrong about saying God choose not…[Read more]

Wakeup…….Remember what Jesus said, “if that light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness”.
Wakeup, what you need to understand we are not novest here WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORD OF GOD., most of us HERE have been Christian’s for a long long time and are very aquainted with scriptures and what they say, granted we disagree on some…[Read more]

Wakeup…….Remember what Jesus said, “if that light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness”.
Wakeup, what you need to understand we are not novest here WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORD OF GOD., most of us HERE have been Christian’s for a long long time and are very aquainted with scriptures and what they say, granted we disagree on some…[Read more]

T8….Why shoul i start another thread about what is a freewill, when no such thing as a will “ITSELF” EXISTING IN ANY KIND OF A FREE STATE? either way you look at it, we are only doing what the spirits working IN US is CAUSING US TO WILL TO DO. THE spirits are doing the controlling of our wills. Our wills do not control us, we (our spiritual…[Read more]

T8……Freedom is not in the will itself, it is in GOD ALLOWING the will (a caused Condition) freedom of expression.

Here is an example, I have freedom to drive my car (lets call it my will) down the road. I am saying my car has no freedom “ITSELF” WHY?, BECAUSE IT IS CONTROLLED BY ME, THE CAR CAN ONLY GO WHERE I “CAUSE” IT TO GO IN THE…[Read more]

T8…..first of all GOD DID NOT SAY MAN WAS FREE TO EAT OF “ANY” TREE, HE Commanded the not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, least they die. That is when man sinned by disobeying GOD’S COMMAND NOT TO EAT OF the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But you are right they did eat of it any way and all have,and all have died also.…[Read more]

T8…..I don’t need a NOVEST like you seem to be, to tell me what to do when or if i sin, your assumptions of me having a sin i have not dealt with is false, as many of your asssumptions i believe are. I knew about what to do about my sins, probably before you were even born, i don’t know how old you are, but i know I’m old and have dealt with…[Read more]

T8…… AGAIN YOU FAIL TO ANSWER THE LIE I ACCUSED YOU OF, JUST IGNORE AND GO ON, BUT AGAINTHAT SEEMS TOBE YOU T8, SO,Yes perhaps your conceptions are right for you at least?. After all you have rejected many, many,many scriptures i have directly quoted on this subject over and over and over. You on the other hand have not produced a single…[Read more]

KERWIN,……FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME ” THE “CAUSE” IS WHAT MAKES UP THE WILL” SO A WILL IS NOT FREE “OF ITSELF”, WHY BECAUSE IT IS “CAUSED” TO BE WHAT IT IS. WHY CAN’T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? THE WILL IS THE EFFECT OF WHAT “CAUSED” IT. GOD HAS GRANTED US FREEDOM TO EXCERCISE OUR “CAUSED” WILL. BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE OUR WILLS “THEMSELVES” FREE FROM…[Read more]

T8…… FIRST OF ALL, WHY LIE ABOUT WHAT I HAVE SAID, SHOW ME ONE PLACE WHERE I HAVE SAID “WE HAVE NO CHOICES” I NEVER SAID THAT, LYING SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM FOR YOU T8, PERHAPS YOU HAVENT LEARNED TO NOT BEAR FALSE WITTINESS YET. Here is another one for you digest if you can,

1jhon1:8….> IF WE SAY WE HAVE NO SIN, WE “DECIEVE” OURSELVES, AND…[Read more]

Kerwin……IT’S NOT A MATTER OF WE HAVE TO, IT’S JUST THAT’S, WHAT AND WHO WE ARE. IF YOUR WILL IS “CAUSED” IT IS NOT “FREE”, NOTHING CAUSED IS FREE. IF I PUT THE BREAKS ON IN MY CAR, AND THE CAR STOPTED, DID THE CAR CAUSE ITSELF TO STOP OR I CAUSED IT TO STOP. YOU SAID YOU CHOOSE STRAWBERRIES BE-CAUSE, YOU LIKED THEM, THEN THAT WAS THE “CAUSE”…[Read more]

To all……> Sorry kerwin, but A CAUSAL chain, and a will that is free, are totally oppsites. One demands a CAUSE THAT CAUSES THE RESPONCE, THE OTHER IF “FREE” HAS TO BE FREE, FROM ALL CAUSES, ONE IS AN “INFLUENCED” WILL, THE OTHER IS A “NON” INFLUENCED WILL. SIMPLE AS THAT, You can’t have it both ways.

Again understand we are not talking…[Read more]

KERWIN…..By what working in our mindes, be it BY THE SPIRIT of the world, or the spirit of the living GOD. But either way it is all A CAUSE AND EFFECT responce. IMO, NOTHING FREE ABOUT IT.

peace and love to you and yours……………gene

T8……This discussions is one of tne oldest in the world, over the last 2000 years, so i hardly think it is unimportant, why do you admit somethings i am saying, then turn against the other things. You only go so far to the understanding and then turn away.

Lets talk about your view of Adam and Eve and what you believe was a “freewill” choice.…[Read more]

T8……This discussions is one oftne oldest in the world, over the last 2000 years, so i hardly think it is unimportant why do you admit somethings i am saying then then turn against the other things. You only go so far to the understanding andthen turn away.

Lets talk about your view of Adam and Eve and what you believe was a “freewill” choice.…[Read more]

Wakeup……are you a fire and brimstone preacher, you seem shrouded in fear. Scripture tells us that SATAN would de ieve the very elect, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. NOW do you believe it is POSSIBLE for the elect to be decieved?

Scripture also tells us “we have not recieved the Spirit of fear, but the spirit of love, and power and of a sound mind.”…[Read more]

Wakeup……are you a fire and brimstone preacher, you seem shrouded in fear. Scripture tells us that SATAN would de ieve the very elect, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. NOW do you believe it is POSSIBLE for the elect to be decieved?

Scripture also tells us “we have not recieved the Spirit of fear, but the spirit of love, and power and of a sound mind.”…[Read more]

Camillia…….I don’t think he will find much if any on the earth. People today seem scared to put GOD TO THE TEST, even though he told us to. You find very little descussion about Mircales taking place in peoples lives anymore, not all their fault i believe , because the very meaning of the word FAITH, has been changed over time, what people…[Read more]