Proclaimer……To me the simplest way of saying it is, heaven is  the sky above. The clouds are in the sky, the coulds are made up of water, being condensed from a gas of h2o, to a liquid state, and when they get heavy enough,  the accumalated water rains on the earth as liquid water, and as it decends, if it gets below a certain tempture level i…[Read more]

Thats correct Proclaimer, God called the firmament, “heaven”, or sky. IN SHORT,  EVERYTHING ABOVE THE EARTH,  IS HEAVEN OR HEAVENS.. ie, SKY. 

What Mike does is try to change a common understood wording and complicate it,   then make up his own rendition for it, this is his common deception process,  not only with his “flat earth” , BS,   but wi…[Read more]

Mike…..your drawing has nothing to what i believe or have ever said,  so that is a lie, but it is more like your “flat earth” BS,  WHERE “YOU” BELIEVE,  THE SUN AND MOON ARE WITHIN “THE DOME”.  Don’t try to pass if of on something i said. Because that, is a lie.

What you only  prove is this, “it’s hard to catch a snake, in a brair patc…[Read more]

Mike……No you “dosen’t dumb it down good enough for us”, but it does show how really dumb you are though?  The sun and moon are not under the coulds as your stupid drawing shows, they exist in space, outside of the earths five atmospheres,  which are layers that exist on and over our e…[Read more]

Mike……Put a pan of ice qubes on your stove,  turn the heat up and watch the ice melt and turn to a liquid we call that, water, and begin to  it boil off, what does that stuff comming off the water look like?, a cloud,  right?, we call that steam,  it disapears right into the air right, but if i put a cool towel over it, the steam will “co…[Read more]

Mike……To even think that clouds don’t contain water,  and are not above the earth , is apsolute pure stupidity, and shows us all how your brain works.  Do this the next time it rains, go and stand in it and get soakibg wet ,thencome back and tell us that it’s not water ok?

Mike your nothing but a joke at best. I told you ounce,  that if yo…[Read more]

Mike…….Water can appear in three forms…..

1…..Solid……  like a ice cube, frozen lake, snow ect. 

2….liquid……. like our oceans, lakes,  streams,  rain showers , floods ect.

3….gas or vapor……….like steam,  and our clouds in the heavens / sky,  and even on earth as fog. 

All of these are the forms water can exist in, co…[Read more]

Berean……..DO, you know what a false accuser even is?,  you say we lir but you produce not a single scripture that proves, making a statement like that only shows how really confused and ignorant you really are.  PROOF BEREAN,  NOT YOUR “ACCUSING” MOUTH, LIKE YOUR TRUE LEADER THE DEVIL IS.

What we have told you is the truth Berean, The “ha…[Read more]

Berean……Fact is it is you who “continually”,deny the “truth” of scriptures. Which both Jodi and i have  posted  over and over here for years. “now that is what is “SAD” if you ask me. 

Jodi has more truth in her little finger then 90% of those pisting here have.  You need to really try to understand what she is saying , check out those scri…[Read more]

Mike……Explaine how the seasons are different at the same time,  in different places in your “flat earth” BS ?  The earth tilted on its axes explanes it “perfectly,”  as it travels around the Sun.  How do you get the change of seasons “at the same time”? All over the world at the same time? 

If anyone is truly interested , you can prove this…[Read more]

Mike…….did you read what Jodi just wrote?   While your at it please notice that all of those words are speaking in a “future tense” , in case your not following, that means it had not happened yet!,  now if Jesus was already alive and existing as you falsely suppose,  and Jesus was already the Son of God, “why would God have said ………[Read more]

Carmel, here are just a few of your hundreds of misquoted scriptures, that you have added text to.

John 8:23 And he said to them:

You are from BENEATH, (FROM FIRE AFTER THEY REBELLED)  I am from ABOVE.

You are of this world, (SATANIC) I am not of this world.

24Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. ( PLURAL, HUMAN SINS…[Read more]

Jodi…..”perfect”,  they just don’t get it.  well did Jesus say, “Father foregive them; for they know not what they do”,  just, as it says,  “the blind leading the blind”.

Just as Jesus  also said……“Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way , that leads to destruction, and “MANY” there be that go in thereat…[Read more]

Carmel…. Why can’t you even quote one single  scripture without changing it’s words to fit your decieved interputations of what it is saying.  Talk about the “blind leading the blind”,  your a perfect example of that here.  Just quote the scriptures as written, not the way your carnel mind see’s them.  You take our scriptures into areas they…[Read more]

DANNY…….The Sun goes down,  because the earth is spinning at a rate of 1000 miles an hour, and the earth is 2400 miles in diamiter, so it takes 24 hours to make one complete turn,  if the earth were flat and we lived  in a dome, the sun would always be able to be seen. Right?

Get a cheep telescope, look up into the sky and you can easely se…[Read more]

Berean……..It will be the fallen Churches, when they see the power and authority Jesus has, and stripping them of all their “Lies” They have said  about him, and their loss of power and control over people,  that will anger them, “and they will accuse him of being the Antichrist” . Be careful lest you become one of them, seening you already b…[Read more]

Berean…….It is not my deluded mind saying that , it is scriptures, as both Jodi and i have for years been saying here, you are the product of fallen Christanity, and as long as you hold on to those false assumptions you have been taught most of your life, you will remain blind to the truth of God,  just as it says, ….”because they recieved…[Read more]

Mike……please show where i or proclaimer, said that.,  but the fact is, God is changing humans  by giving them the “SPIRIT of TRUTH”,  just as it says he is, …..“for God works “in” us both to “will” and do of his good pleasure”.

In fact that is why i know you don’t have the,  Spirit (cognicity) of truth”, abiding “in” you because you can’…[Read more]

Mike…….There is not one scripture that show’s “any” Activity of Jesus before his birth on this earth.  

Jesus was in the “plan” of God , before he ever existed as a “real” living being,  just as KING CRYUS was also,  he was propheside 200 YEARS BEFORE HE WAS BORN , and even called a servant of God also. The exact same thing applies to Jesus…[Read more]

Mike…….Wisdom is an “atribute”, it is not a person.  Anyone can posses wisdom, it is one of the Seven Spirits of God,  scripture tells, that …..the hiden atributes “OF GOD”, are seen by the things he created.    Certanly Jesus had wisdom in him, that he recieved by the Spirit of God that dwelled “IN” HIM,   but to say he “himself”  is wisdom…[Read more]