CARMEL you said,  COULD THE FATHER HIMSELF COME ON EARTH AS A HUMAN AND DO WHAT JESUS DID EVEN DIE?
YES OR NO PLEASE!
I said ,” he  (Jesus) ,  could not have “himself” Created anything” , why? Because He he couldn’t. You have ““cleverly” switched  subject matter from Jesus to God the Father…. So lets let scripture answer you OK?

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Proclaimer you said…….”Here we do indeed see that all was created for him. But it also says through him too. But you would have to say for him and for him making both words mean the same thing. And then this scripture doubles down with our view when it says ‘he is before all things”.

Obviously you do not believe he is the Word of God like mos…[Read more]

To seening no body has come up with a different meaning i posted about the Greek  word “Dia” , i will assume you all agree with it, right? So with that understanding then , we know that God himself created everything that exists, for “the purpose of his plan for all humanity, the “Man” Jesus being the first human being, to achieve his planned g…[Read more]

Carmel……Yes i do keep repeating what Jesus said, (not me),  the question is do you “truly believe him,  and what he ‘actually’ says, Thats the question here Carmel. If you truly believed those words of his (not me),  then you would also understand he could not have “himself” Created anything , no more then you or i can. He was a real huma…[Read more]

Proclaimer, Carmel, Berean, and all, can we all agree that God had a “plan” in mind….. (a detaild purpose for doing something)  nothing he did or dose  is without a reason, and purpose,  Yes or No.  ?

I am keeping this simple for now on purpose, can we all agree with the above, I am assuming you all will say,  yes , if not, please fill free…[Read more]

Admin……..Good call , no sense mixing up good and honest bibical dialog with Mikeboll’s “flat earth” garabage.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

Proclaimer……..Your trip word is the word “through” and “by”   It comes from the Greek word “dia”,  which carries a completely different sense  then the English words do, you see it as meaning thats how the world and everythibg was actually created by,  but the Greek word “Dia” carries a difference sense, it carries the idea,  of the “reason fo…[Read more]

Proclaimer……..So from that prespective, there are thousands of people named Gene right.,  are they also me, because after all we do have the same name right?  We call the bible the word of God, so according to your logic the book itself is God’s word, but is it?, no it contains God’s words, the book is just a book.

Scripture say , (not m…[Read more]

Berean……..Jesus is called the word of God , because he “quotes” God the Fathers words to us, not because he “IS” ACTUALLY  God’s word.  If you “truly” believed him you would also believe what he said,   Jesus said (not me), ……“the words I am telling you “ARE NOT” my words, but the words of him that sent me.”   Do you “truly believe him?[Read more]

Proclaimer……….AMEN TO THAT.

Peace and love to you and yours…………gene

Berean…….It’s not about you, it’s about “the TRUTH”,  and believe me you don’t have it, nor does anyone who believes Jesus prexisted his birth on the earth.

You all need to go read what Jodi, has clearly laid out scripture by scripture by scripture , which proves Jesus did not exist before his birth on this earth , as a sentinel being of a…[Read more]

Berean you said……… GEN, “You could never prove by the Bible that Jesus did not pre-exist, and that he was not God in the beginning (same divine nature as the Father)
You are actually preaching A FALSE CHRIST: the salvation of man through man”

Scripture shows, (not me)……“by one man,  sin entered, and by ONE,  “MAN”  Jesus Christ, it wa…[Read more]

Perclaimer……..well put,  enough is enough , Mike is not a truth seeker, he could careless for truth, and the only people he influences  here are , are people like Berean, and Danny, which i believe are novices reguarding the faith.  Look how Jodi, produces scripture after scripture after scripture ,showing him and that all he can do is to ig…[Read more]

Jodi…….couldn’t help myself again , another “perfect” post, hope all here read it. 

Peace and love to you and yours……….gene

Mike…..NO IT DOSENT., THE ALTIMETER DOES, the “Altimeter”  gives the pilot the distance he is above sea level.  It has nothing  to do with the Gyroscope. A gryoscope is used for stability of a plane and boats also, it has nothing to do with seting the  the hight or directing of any thing , it just mai tains it after it is set, by resisting cha…[Read more]

Mike……gryoscopes are used to maintain stability, in any drection, the have nothing to do with setting altitude, that is done by a “altimeter”  which works by  “barimetric” pressure , a pilot has a Altimeter meter in his cabin instriment pnl group.  He can set how high he wants to fly, above sea level,  and with his hand control he can brin…[Read more]

Mike, the answer to your drone,  BS,   is that a drone fly’s by using a “barometer” that is in it, better known as a barometric altimeter,  that has been set by manufactures at sea level.  JUST LIKE AN AIRPLANE DOES.  So it travels by  barametric  pressure,  you set it at, by your controller.

Mike,  your , BS, has been again  debuncked, now lets s…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….I also believe in free speech,  but i also believe in acountability  of what a persons says  and also  holding him or her responsible for what they says .  You can’t aford to let this site be the source of such stupidy, that it eventually effects the whole site in a negitive way brother.

We are told after two or three times of r…[Read more]

Proclaimer……….Berean dosen’t have the truth of God in him or he wouldn’t be in that church in the first place,  so he is naturally desposed to believing in lies about a flat earth, just as Mike is. These people have been denied the “cognisity” , or, spirit of truth., they simply are wondering stars, foaming out their own shame, by the, “…[Read more]

Berean……Seems every time you open your mouth , you prove how actually nieve and ignorant you truly are. I can list easely over a thousand things that we , as a human race have increased in knowledge of , even sense i was born. Thousands of them, the only thing that has gone backward is religious teachings, like the cult you belong to, and most…[Read more]