Kerwin……Nerly all of HEB 2:6-11 is speaking of mankind in a “general” sense, and JESUS ALSO FROM A HUMAN BEING STAND POINT. BOTH MANKIND AND JESUS ARE SAID TO BE CREATED A “LITTLE” LOWER THEN THE ANGELS THERE. But crowned with glory and honor, and “ALL” THINGS ARE PUT UNDER THE FOOT OF MANKIND IN A GENERAL SENSE. HOW CAN YOU DRAW ANYTHING…[Read more]

NICK….AGAIN YOU FALSELY ACCUSE ME, OF SAYING SOMETHING I DIDNOT SAY OR IMPLY, SHOW ONE post where i have ever said or implied we aare greater theN JESUS. THE ACCUSITORY SPIRIT IN YOU NEVER ceases even if you have to lie about what ihave said. IMO

peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene

Mike…..That is your rendition of what scfipture is saying, using many many “IF” to make your case. But why do you fail to explain other scriptures, like where, HEBREWS SAYS “GOD HAS NOT PUT IN SUBJECTION THE WORLD TO COME UNTO ANGELS”. MAKING A CONCLUSION TO THE EXCLUSION OF OTHER COUNTRIDICTING SCRIPTURES IS NOT GOOD FORM. IMO.

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Kerwin…….I HAVE READ IT, AND I KNOW WHAT T8 BELIEVES, AS WELL AS MIKE, BUT THE QUESTION IS DOES THE SCRIPTURES I POSTED MEAN WHAT THEY SAY OR NOT? IF THEY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY THEN JESUS IS NO AN ANGEL OF ANY KIND, OR HE COULD NOT QUILIFY TO BE A RULER IN THE WORLD TO COME.

MANKIND IS THE HIGHEST OF ALL OF GOD’S CREATION, MANKIND IS THE “ONLY”…[Read more]

Nick….No, i don’t think and say there “ARE” SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD , SCRIPTURE SAYS IT. THOSE ARE “NOT” MY WORDS YOU ARE CONTENDING WITH BUT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES IN THREE PLACES, SO YOU EITHER BELIEVE THEM OR NOT,THATS YOUr CHOICE. BUT CHANGING THEM TO MEET YOUR WHAT YOU THINK, IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS, are we to BELIEVE what is written in…[Read more]

Nick….No, i don’t think and say there “ARE” SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD , SCRIPTURE SAYS IT. THOSE ARE “NOT” MY WORDS YOU ARE CONTENDING WITH BUT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES IN THREE PLACES, SO YOU EITHER BELIEVE THEM OR NOT,THATS YOU CHOICE. BUT CHANGING THEM TO MEET YOUR WHAT YOU THINK IS NOT WHAT IT SAY, SO DO WE BELIEVE SCRIPTURE OR YOU?…[Read more]

T8…..Then does it apply to JESUS, WHERE IT SAYS IN Heb 2:5, “FOR UNTO THE ANGELS HAS HE NOT PUT IN SUBJECTION THE WORLD TO COME, WHEREOF WE SPEAK, DOES THIS APPLY TO JESUS ALSO, seening you believe him to be an angel. AND IF YOU READ Heb 2:6-11, YOU WILL FIND IT IS MANKIND THAT THE WORLD TO COME WILL BE IN SUBJECTION TO. Jesus has to still be…[Read more]

Mike……JESUS IS A SON OF MAN, ALWAYS WAS AND STILL IS. HE HAS ATTAINED TO THE DESTINY GOD THE FATHER HAS IN MIND FOR ALL HUMANITY . HEB 2:6-9 ….TELLS US ABOUT MANKIND AND GODS PLAN FOR US. IT IS THE SAME AS JESUS’ IS. IMO

peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene

Nick…..I KNOW JESUS IS NO ANGEL BEING OF ANY KIND, HOW AM I BLURING THE LINE A BIT?, BECAUSE IF HE WERE AN ANGEL, THE WORLD TO COME COULD NOT BE SUBJECTED TO HIM, JUST AS HEBREWS 2:5 SAYS.

Heb. 2:5…..”For unto the ANGELS he has not put in subjection the world to come where of we speak”

I am not the one saying the “THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF…[Read more]

Nick…..What makes you think they are my own ideas? How do you know they are not FROM THE spirit of GOD,something GOD THEFATHER HAS REAVEALED TO ME? Are we to think your opinions are GOD’S and not YOURS. You keep trying to position “yourself” as a judge of what is spritual or not or what alines with scriptures or not, even as you take liberty…[Read more]

Nick….First of all that scripture was JOHN warning people not to add to the book of Revelations what was written in it. BUT YOU GAIN TAKE LIBERTY WITH SCRIPTURES actually are refering to AND USE THEN TO JUSTIFY your worng understandings. Lik you have done by saying there are not Seven Spirits of GOD, CHANGING IT TO MEAN SEVEN ABGELS, what…[Read more]

Nick….First of all that scripture was JOHN warning people not to add to the book of Revelations what was written in it. BUT YOU GAIN TAKE LIBERTY WITH SCRIPTURES actually are refering to AND USE THEN TO JUSTIFY your worng understandings. Likyouhavedone by saying there are not seven spirits of GOD, CHANGING IT TO MEAN SEVEN ABGELS, what…[Read more]

Nick….First of all that scripture was JOHN warning people not to add to the book of Revelations what was written in it. BUT YOU GAIN TAKE LIBERTY WITH SCRIPTURES actually are refering to AND USE THEN TO JUSTIFY your worng understandings. Now what thendo you do with this scripture,

Matt 13:53……Then said he unto them, therefore every…[Read more]

Kerwin……GOOD POST.

peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

Nick……show where i do not agree with scriptures, babling about something proves nothing, you say i speak against scripure, then show it, you’re mouthing off means nothing to me or anyone else here, as far as that goes. You say different spirits are not types and kinds of intellects then prove it by scriptures. Truth is you can’t or you…[Read more]

NICK…..YES it dose Nick, and SPIRITS ARE INTELLECTS OF VARIOUS TYPES AND KINDS. SORRY YOU DON’T BELIEVE GOD WHO IS SPIRIT IS INTELLEGENT,AND CAN GIVE TO US AND JESUS SOME OF HIS INTELLECTS ALSO BY GIVING US some of his HIS SPIRIT, like the intellect or light, to know the truth when we hear it, which you seem to lack.

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Miia……I am not a follower of L. RAY SMITH, though i have read and agree with some of his material, but not all. I do not know his stand on 2 Ths 2, and where did you ever get the idea, i am saying that it “IS” the “REAL” Jesus from? What i said is the it is a “FALSE” “IMAGE” OF OF THE REAL JESUS BEING A “GOD”, WHICH TURNS OUR “IMAGE” OF…[Read more]

Miia…..2Ths2, is talking about a single and specific person, it was given in a prophetic sense, and was talking about a specific MAN SITTING the temple of GOD ,IT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT MANKIND IN A GENERAL SENSE.

FACT IS THERE IS NO ACTUAL PERSON BEING MENTIONED THERE AT ALL, BUT A “LIE” ABOUT A SPECIFIC PERSON, and that LIE is about JESUS…[Read more]

Kerwin…..I disagree with you on this, rather or not spritual a man is still a man with or without the spirit of GOD IN HIM, IT’S just a matter of the kind and type of spirit that is in him , but none of this changes a man from being a man. You and NICK are both wrong on this IMO. Now if you or he would have said carnel minded or spritural minded…[Read more]

Kerwin…..I disagree with you on this, rather or not a man is a man with or without the spirit of GOD IN HIM, IT’S just a matter of the kind and type of spirit that is in him , none of this changes a man from being a man. You and NICK are both wrong on this IMO. Now if you or he would have said carnel minded or spritural minded “MAN” that would…[Read more]