NICK. …Well now are you beginning to see what spirits do and are? now please tell us this, do you understand that spirits impart to us their cognisity of life. IF YOU understand that then you can understand why “EVERYTHING” in existence that has life in it only acts in accordance with the spirit or spirits abiding in them. SPIRIT IS THE…[Read more]

NICK… JOHN WAS “BOTH” THE MESSENGER AND SLAVE OF BOND SERVANT OF JESUS AS WELL. I DO NOT BELIEVE I HAVE TAKEN ANYTHING OUT OF THE MEANING OF THE “ORIGINAL” GREEK TEXT. IMO

peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

NICK….Again you have dodged the question, so lets try again, was IT JESUS, SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO JOHN in Rev 1:11, TELLING HIM TO WRITE DOWN WHAT HE HAS SEEN AND SEND IT TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES?, A YES OR NO , WILL SUFFICE .

Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene

NICK…..As I have said I have no problem of being proven wrong,but just to say it without scriptural proof is quite a different thing.

lets continue a little more in this subject of who was speaking to JOHN IN REVELATIONS OK? Now concider who was speaking to JOHN IN
Rev 1:11, Was that an angel or was it JESUS SPEAKING AND TELLING John to write…[Read more]

NICK…..Kerwin is right, it asks the question, “who knows”, if one goes up and the other down.

peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

NICK…..How is that trying to protect my pride if as i said, “I AM WILLING TO LOOK AT IT DIFERENTLY, IF PROVEN WRONG. PROOF IS HARDLY, the “accusitory spirit” working in you NICK.

It appears you have the “pride” problem here, not me.

peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

KERWIN….I agree with your assessment, but by leaving it out does give the prexistences an edge, that is probably why a trinitarian translator left it out. IMO

Also you are right if a person understands the spirit was “IN” the man Jesus, it shouldn’t make much diffetence.

kerwin, i ask you to COMMIT on the GREEK in the logos thread about about…[Read more]

Miia…..You left off part of JOHN 3:12. IT SAYS “the son of man, “who is “IN” heaven.” I CHECKED IT OUT IN A GREEK LINEAR TRANSLATION, and it does seem to appear somewhat different,but the “who is “IN” heaven”, is still there. I have noticed others who try to force the text to imply JESUS as a preexisting sentinal being, who decended from…[Read more]

Nike ….. IF WHAT I HAVE SAID IS NOT WRITTEN THAT WAY IN THE GREEK , THEN PLEASE POINT IT OUT TO ME. I HAVE JUST QUOTED WHAT GREEK TRANSLATIONS I READ HAVE WRITTEN , IN FACT THAT WORD “UNTO” ISN’T EVEN IN ONE GREEK TRANSLATION I HAVE LOOKED AT SO FAR NOR IS ANGEL AS IN ANGELIC BEING EITHER.. THAT WAS WHY I ASK KERWIN TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TO SEE…[Read more]

Nike ….. IF WHAT I HAVE SAID IS NOT WRITTEN THAT WAY IN THE GREEK , THEN PLEASE POINT IT OUT TO ME. I HAVE JUST QUOTED WHAT GREEK TRANSLATIONS I READ HAVE WRITTEN , IN FACT THAT WORD “UNTO” ISN’T EVEN IN ONE GREEK TRANSLATION I HAVE LOOKED AT SO FAR NOR IS ANGEL AS IN ANGELIC BEING EITHER.. THAT WAS WHY I ASK KERWIN TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TO SEE…[Read more]

NICK…..I offer what the GREEK says, word for word, and it’s not my fault you or anyone else do not accept it. The GREEK does not use the word angel there, but “messenger”, and it does show it was John, not an angelic “being”, spoken of there, as many supose. JOHN was to deliever what GOD gave to JESUS to show his servants the things that were…[Read more]

Danny Dabbs. …THE WORD LORD (ADONIA) means the ALMIGHTY GOD, the word lord (ADONI) means a human ruler,JUDGE, MAGISTRATE,ECT. THEY are two completely different words expressing two completely different authorities,one is man, the other is GOD. MANY because they are IN ENGLISH spelled the SAME give them the same references,but they are not the…[Read more]

NICK….Not two, JOHN WAS A MESSENGER OF JESUS AS WELL AS A BOND SERVANT, WHICH IS ALSO WRITTEN AS SLAVE IN THE GREEK. NICK if you read it in the orignial Greek you can see what i am saying brother. NICK THE word ANGEL does not appear in the GREEK TEXT either, MESSENGER DOES.

Maybe kerwin could shed some light on his subject. If you are…[Read more]

NICK…..YES JOHN WAS A MESSENGER OF JESUS AS WELL AS A BOND SERVANT, WHICH IS ALSO WRITTEN AS SLAVE IN THE GREEK. NICK if you read it in the orignial Greek you can see what i am saying brother. NICK THE word ANGEL does not appear in the GREEK TEXT either, MESSENGER DOES.

Maybe kerwin could shed some light on his subject. If you are reading…[Read more]

NICK….The word used there could be bond servant just as easely. imo

NICK look, just read it TOTALLY and you should see it is JESUS SPEAKING TO JOHN HIS SERVANT TO THE CHURCHES. I AM NOT SAYING I AM 100 PERSENT RIGHT ON THIS BUT THAT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WAY, WHEN YOU PUT THE WHOLE THE WHOLE THING INTO CONTEXT.

WHERE IT SAYS “HIS ANGEL” IT…[Read more]

NICK…..Hebrews sayGOD CREATES HIS ANGELS SPIRITS,THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THEY ARE ACTUALLY SPIRIT BEINGS, DOES IT? I know of no scripture that says ANGELS ARE SPIRITS BEINGS. IF THEY WERE SPIRITS AS YOU SAY HOW IS ITTHE EAT MANNA? WHY IS IT CALLED ANGEL’S FOOD, do SPIRITS NEED FOOD? While they may have spirits in them as we do, i have…[Read more]

NICK…..I know of no scripture that says ANGELS ARE SPIRITS. While they may have spirits in them as we do, i have never found a scripture that says they are spirits. If you have something that supports your conclusions onthis please present it brother.

peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

NICK…..Yes, i believe JOHN was that messenger JESUS , sent to the seven churches.

HERE IS HOW THE GREEK ENGLISH CONCORDANCE PUTS IT, “UNCOVERING of Jesus Christ that gave to him the God to show to the slaves of him what is necessary to become in quickness, and he signified having delegated through his messenger of him to the slave of him,…[Read more]

miia….To me the spirit of truth, is “one” of the “seven” spirits of God, and it deals with what we hear, and processes it in our minds, reavealing to us the truth of what it hears, it does not speak of it own , because it has no self function, it simply process what we are hearing and descloses to us, if it is the truth or not. Without that…[Read more]

T8…..I AM NOT FLIP FLOPING, BOTTON LINE IS, Jesus was referencing GOD THE FATHER, AS THE ROCK, WHICH IS THE POWER, HE WOULD BUILD THE CHURCH BY. ROCK, POWER, ALL REFERENCE ONE GOD. Your effort to muddy the waters of truth changes nothing.

peace and love to you and yours. …….gene