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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 5 months ago

    miia….We are close in agreement, but not on one thing, YOU SAID, “YES THERE IF YOU LOOK AND LISTEN”. EXACTLY WHERE IS THAT AT IN SCRIPTURES. I have never seen Jesus meantioned in any scriptures before his berth on this earth. I HAVE SEEN THE CHRISTO’S, the anointing spirit of GOD, there but not a word about any activity of Jesus.

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum John 1:1 10 years, 5 months ago

    NICK…”NOW THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT, GOD THE FATHER IS “THE LORD”, AND HE IS SPIRIT”. “know you not that God is SPIRIT”

    “WE NO LONGER SPEAK OF THE CHRISTO’S ACCORDING TO THE FLESH,” why? because we understand it was the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD SPEAKING THROUGH HIM, AND STILL IS. None of that made JESUS A SPIRIT as you believe.…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum John 1:1 10 years, 5 months ago

    NICK…..JESUS BEING AS ONE WITH THE SPIRIT DOES NOT MAKE “HIM” THE SPIRIT, no more then hrbeing one woth God made him a God. YOU FALSE PERCEPTION OF JESUS BEING TURNED INTO A SPIRIT BEING IS NOT SCRIPTURAL. JESUS WAS AND STILL IS A HUMAN BEING AND ALWAYS WILL BE. Anyone who has GOD spirit in him, should understand they are not a God because they…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum John 1:1 10 years, 5 months ago

    NICK…..DO YOU ADD YOUR OWN CONCEPTS? , DOES NOT SCRIPTURE “CLEARLY” SAY “THAT GOD MAY BE IN “ALL AND “THROUGH” YOU ALL? What makes you think that is “my” concept? I TAKE NO CREDIT FOR SAYING THAT, IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS YOU WOULD COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS, DID NOT JESUS SAY IN PRAYER “FATHER THAT THEY MAY BE “ONE” EVEN AS WE ARE?, AND AGAIN, I…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum John 1:1 10 years, 5 months ago

    NICK….Those who have the ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD IN THEM “ARE” ONE WITH JESUS AND GOD THE FATHER, BY THAT SAME SPIRIT OF GOD. THAT DWELLS “IN” THEM, NO DIFFERENCE WITH US AND JESUS, ONE GOD IN “ALL” AND “THROUGH” ALL. IF I HAVE THE ANOUNTING SPIRIT OF GOD IN ME, THEN NOT ONLY DOES THE FATHER AND JESUS, COME TO YOU, BUT I ALSO DO, FOR WE ARE…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum John 1:1 10 years, 5 months ago

    NICK….Those who have the ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD IN THEM “ARE” ONE WITH JESUS AND GOD THE FATHER, BY THAT SAME SPIRIT OF GOD. THAT DWELLS “IN” THEM, NO DIFFERENCE WITH US AND JESUS, ONE GOD IN “ALL” AND “THROUGH” ALL. IF I HAVE THE ANOUNTING SPIRIT OF GOD IN ME, THEN NOT ONLY DOES THE FATHER AND JESUS, COME TO YOU, BUT I ALSO DO, FOR WE ARE…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum John 1:1 10 years, 5 months ago

    EDj….Your inability to understand that, the “christo’s” mean the “ANOINTING” SPIRIT OF GOD, and being a SPIRIT, IT CAN “INDWELL” A human being. YOU cannot understand that it was actually GOD THE FATHER WHO WAS IN JESUS, AS THE “ANOINTING SPIRIT” DOING THE WORKS, basically you simply do not believe what Jesus himself said, and that wasthat the…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 5 months ago

    miia…..TELL ME, who was speaking the man JESUS, or, was God the father speaking direct through the mouth of JESUS? Did JESUS SAY “the words I am telling you are “not” my words, yes or no ?

    Did JESUS SAY THAT GOD THE FATHER WAS “IN” HIM, yes or no?, and if you say yes, the “HOW” WAS HE “IN” HIM? was it by the Christo’s SPIRIT,OR SOME OTGER…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum John 1:1 10 years, 5 months ago

    T8…..BUT YOU BELIEVE JESUS DID PREEXIST HIS BERTH ON THE EARTH AS A SENTINAL “BEING”. NICK IS RIGHT,THE ANOINTING SPIRIT WAS THERE BUT JESUS WAS NOT ANYWHERE BEFORE HE CAME INTO EXISTENCE. BUT THE CHRISTO’S WAS THERE FROM ETERNITY IT WAS WITH GOD AND WAS GOD. THE CHRISTO’S CAME INTO THE “FLESH” MAN JESUS AT HIS BAPTIZM BY JOHN AT THE JORDAN…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 5 months ago

    miia…..That was the Christo’s speaking, it or he, entered into the body of JESUS WHO BECAME THE CHRIST OR ANOINTED ONE OF GOD. THE WORD CHRIST does not always mean the man Jesus, WHO CAME INTO EXISTENCE AT THE TIME OF HIS BERTH, but THE CHRISTO’S was what was came to be “IN” HIM.

    miia…Notice in revelations that when Jesus spoke to the…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 5 months ago

    miia…..That was the Christo’s speaking, it or he, entered into the body of JESUS WHO BECAME THE CHRIST OR ANOINTED ONE OF GOD. THE WORD CHRIST does not always mean the man Jesus, WHO CAME INTO EXISTENCE AT THE TIME OF HIS BERTH, but THE CHRISTO’S was what was came to be “IN” HIM.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 5 months ago

    NICK…..Please explain what you mean by “born “into” him, are you saying that JESUS HIMSELF IS THE Spiit?

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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    kerwin…..thanks

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 5 months ago

    miia……PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU FEEL MAKING JESUS DIFFERENT THEN THE REST OF HUMANITY, IS NOT A HINDERANCE TO TRUE FAITH.

    HOW COULD ANYONE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT WHEN JESUS SAID, ” HE THAT OVERCOMES EVEN “AS” I HAVE”, THAT THEY “ACTUALLY COULD OVERCOME, AS HE HAS , IF HE WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THE THEY WERE?

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    kerwin, your probably right, it probably doesent make a deifference to most, but to me, i see “us” as beings who are held captive by sin, and the ransom was what had TO BE PAID TO GOD, IN ORDER FOR HIM TO RETAIN AND MAINTAIN “HIS” RIGHTIOUSNESS, AS Paul said, to demonstrate “HIS” RIGHTIOUSNESS I SAY.

    NOW THAT BEGS ANOTHER QUESTION, why did…[Read more]

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    KERWIN…..FRIST OF ALL I WAS MEANING Rom 3:24, not JOHN 3:24, Nick is right on that, sorry for the confusion.

    Kerwin..You are right they are both synonyms, but I believe the word RANSOM shows more the idea of us being held captive, which i believe we all were and are now set free, by way of payment a RANSOM, that GOD THE FATHER GAVE, FOR US,…[Read more]

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    NICK…..NO, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU NOT GIVING US YOUR ROUTINE AGAIN, by trying to make this an opertunity for you to charater bash out of this, it’s not a big deal, the words are simmialr, but when i looked up the word used there, strongs concordance gave REDEMPTION, as the last meaning for the word, and the first was RANSOM, i was just…[Read more]

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    To all…..John 3:24…. ” Being justified freely by his grace through the “REDEMPTION” that is in Christ Jesus:”,

    or is it better written, “Being justified freely by his grace through the “RANSOM” that is in Christ Jesus:”

    To me the word RANSOM, expresses it better, so why do you think translators used REDEMPTION instead, because it seems…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 10 years, 5 months ago

    Nick….I also believe that SPIRIT does not represent the whole “BEING”, IT IS WHAT ABIDES “IN” BEINGS. Just as it says, “if the “spirit” of him that raised Christ Jesus from the dead , “abides” “IN” you, he or “it” shall quicken your mortal bodies”. BUT, a being, can not “live” without spirit “IN” it also. MAN WHO IS FLESH, was not a LIVING…[Read more]

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    Nick…..It’s not vital, it was just interesting how the GREEK LINEAR I READ PUT IT, no big deal brother.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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