Jodi……scripture says, not me …….“unless the lord build the house , the weary builders, build in “Vain”.  

These people have not the Spirit of truth abiding”in” them, or they could easily see what we are saying.  That is why I believe, Desire truth,  has stopped posting,  he sees the futility in speaking to those who have not the love of truth of…[Read more]

Carmel,  what Jodi said here is “exactly right”…..”First thing to recognize is Jesus suffered and then entered into his glory when he rose from the dead and was a flesh and bones immortal human being. That indeed was glory and was a promise fulfilled that had been of God for him and all of mankind since before the world began, where Jesus be…[Read more]

Jodi……Jesus said…..”to them that have, more shall be given, and to them that have not , even what they have shall be taken away”.

Jodi, you are one that has, and more is being given to you.

peace and love to you and yours Jodi……..gene

Berean…….What you don’t understand,  is those words did not come from Jesus “himself”.  Those words were from THE SPIRIT OF GOD, who dwelt in JESUS, SPEAKING THROUGH HIS MOUTH to them.

Paul tells us that,  not me,……“know you not that you’re, “BODY”,  “IS” the “TEMPLE” OF THE LIVING GOD”.   Think about it Jesus said he was “dead” and am now alive…[Read more]

Jodi……“PERFECT”,   it couldn’t have been said any better.  You indeed are a blessing to us all,  IMO.

Peace and love to you and yours Jodi………..gene

Proclaimer…….where scripture say all thing was made for him,  it is referencing to the fact he was a human being, why?  Because scripture shows us this, Need proof?  Here it is , scripture says this (not me)……Heb 2:6-13……but one in a certain place testified, saying, what is man (mankind) that you are mindful of him (mankind)? Or the son of man, th…[Read more]

YOU SAID,  NOT ME…………..13 And lead us not into temptation.
But deliver us from evil. Amen.

Gene, literally speaking, (JESUS SAID NOT ME)

GOD LEADS US INTO TEMPTATION!

NOW, WHAT WOULD YOU MAKE OF THE ABOVE WORDS BY JESUS?

I AM WAITING, WHO KNOWS?

I responded that interruption was wrong,  why? ,  because James said God tempts no man,  and I eve…[Read more]

Carmel……. you’re a real snake in a bier patch,  instead of all your sneaking and dodging around the subject I was addressing , and dealing with , you very cleverly shifted away from the scripture that say plainly , that “GOD TEMPTS “NO” MAN,  James 1:13-14,   “Let no man say when he is tempted , I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted w…[Read more]

Carmel…….The correct way that scripture should be written, and understood is this way,  “and let us not be lead into temptation, but deliver us from the evil”. Why, because other scripture says,  “GOD TEMPTS “NO” MAN.”    IF  you were of the truth you would have known that.  

I REALIZE YOUR MIND MAYBE CAN’T UNDERSTAND THAT,  BUT NEVER THE LES…[Read more]

Proclaimer………If it were a matter of so-called “free- wills”,   then God could not predict the future for any of us, why,  because we could change at any time, the scripture that says , “whosoever who is born with the Spirit of God in them can not sin”. How does that work in you freewill, salvation teachings.

And again…….Scripture sa…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….“thy kingdom come “THY WILL” BE DONE.”   the kingdom of God requires the his will be done,  there is no choice there, you either do the will of God  or you simply won’t in his kingdom.  

You believe your “freewill” yourself into the kingdom of God, “wrong”  , By saying that you remove God the Father and his work in us, to bring…[Read more]

Carmel……Jesus is not our first love,  God the Father is.  I explained that to you all ,  Go read what the Spirit said to the Church of Ephesus,  then remember who Jesus said should be our first love, when the man ask him what was the greatest commandment,  it goes like this,   “you shall “LOVE”, THE LORD YOUR GOD , WITH “ALL” YOU MIGHT, ALL YO…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ……by separation Jesus from the rest of humanity, you are creating another inanity different from us.  SO WITH YOU , it is,  God the father,  Jesus the you don’t know what, an angel, or unknown inanity of some kind? ,  please inform us who and what class of being is Jesus,  seeng you say he is not GOD, and he preexisted his birt…[Read more]

Berean…….John 1:1,  is not saying Jesus is the word of God,  no scripture says that Jesus “IS” the word of God,  he is no more the word of God then any of the Prophets of old are,  they all spoke to us the Father’s words, exactly the same way.  Through the Anointing Spirit that was abiding  “in”   them.

The book of Hebrews clearly shows…[Read more]

BEREAN,   I am not offended by the fact Jesus tell us God the Father’s words that abide “in” him,  , that is exactly what I believe, but what offended both God the Father and me, is you going around telling people that Jesus , “IS”,  the word of God, That is a LIE. 

Jesus never was God the Father’s word,  even though he “quoted” GOD THE FATHER’…[Read more]

To all……..Jesus said,  (not me),…..“the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY words, but the words of him who sent me”.  

So the idea of saying Jesus is the  word of God, is a lie, by Jesus’ own mouth.  GOD AND HIS WORD ARE ONE, JUST AS YOU AND YOUR WORDS ARE YOU.   NO ONE CAN BE YOUR WORD, NOR CAN YOU BE ANYONE ELSE’S WORD EITHER.

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Desire Truth  ……..AMEN, as I said you are a breath of fresh air brother.   Your sound reasoning expresses the “SPIRIT OF TRUTH”, guiding your thoughts,   like it does JODI. 

GOD has sent to this site delievers, if only the Proclaimer who runs this site would listen,  he has no idea how many God would bring here.  O Proclaimer,  please conside…[Read more]

Proclaimer……..to create is one thing, to be getting is quite another.

TO BEGET, requires a birth process.

TO CREATE,  does not require a birth process.

Adam and Eve were not begotten,  but we’re created   the First begotten human being was Cain,   Jesus was the begotten,  from the loins of his Physical Father King David, when God plan…[Read more]

Berean ……. you say “Jesus “took on “,  but is that what scripture says, ( not me?)……Heb2:9 ….but we see Jesus , “WHO WAS MADE”,  a little lower then the Angels, for the suffering of death”…..

We are also “MADE”,   a “little” lower then the angels, and we also suffer death.  And we must also put our  “wills” to death, just like he did.…[Read more]

Proclaimer. …..Wrong, I certainly do know people and things are called by their “ATRIBUTES”   A airplane is call a bird,  because it flies like a bird, but is it an actual bird? Of course not,  there in lies the problem,  being call something because of a similar a tribute does not make you that thing,  I fully understand that, and that appl…[Read more]