Proclaimer…….“thy kingdom come “THY WILL” BE DONE.”   the kingdom of God requires the his will be done,  there is no choice there, you either do the will of God  or you simply won’t in his kingdom.  

You believe your “freewill” yourself into the kingdom of God, “wrong”  , By saying that you remove God the Father and his work in us, to bring…[Read more]

Carmel……Jesus is not our first love,  God the Father is.  I explained that to you all ,  Go read what the Spirit said to the Church of Ephesus,  then remember who Jesus said should be our first love, when the man ask him what was the greatest commandment,  it goes like this,   “you shall “LOVE”, THE LORD YOUR GOD , WITH “ALL” YOU MIGHT, ALL YO…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ……by separation Jesus from the rest of humanity, you are creating another inanity different from us.  SO WITH YOU , it is,  God the father,  Jesus the you don’t know what, an angel, or unknown inanity of some kind? ,  please inform us who and what class of being is Jesus,  seeng you say he is not GOD, and he preexisted his birt…[Read more]

Berean…….John 1:1,  is not saying Jesus is the word of God,  no scripture says that Jesus “IS” the word of God,  he is no more the word of God then any of the Prophets of old are,  they all spoke to us the Father’s words, exactly the same way.  Through the Anointing Spirit that was abiding  “in”   them.

The book of Hebrews clearly shows…[Read more]

BEREAN,   I am not offended by the fact Jesus tell us God the Father’s words that abide “in” him,  , that is exactly what I believe, but what offended both God the Father and me, is you going around telling people that Jesus , “IS”,  the word of God, That is a LIE. 

Jesus never was God the Father’s word,  even though he “quoted” GOD THE FATHER’…[Read more]

To all……..Jesus said,  (not me),…..“the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY words, but the words of him who sent me”.  

So the idea of saying Jesus is the  word of God, is a lie, by Jesus’ own mouth.  GOD AND HIS WORD ARE ONE, JUST AS YOU AND YOUR WORDS ARE YOU.   NO ONE CAN BE YOUR WORD, NOR CAN YOU BE ANYONE ELSE’S WORD EITHER.

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Desire Truth  ……..AMEN, as I said you are a breath of fresh air brother.   Your sound reasoning expresses the “SPIRIT OF TRUTH”, guiding your thoughts,   like it does JODI. 

GOD has sent to this site delievers, if only the Proclaimer who runs this site would listen,  he has no idea how many God would bring here.  O Proclaimer,  please conside…[Read more]

Proclaimer……..to create is one thing, to be getting is quite another.

TO BEGET, requires a birth process.

TO CREATE,  does not require a birth process.

Adam and Eve were not begotten,  but we’re created   the First begotten human being was Cain,   Jesus was the begotten,  from the loins of his Physical Father King David, when God plan…[Read more]

Berean ……. you say “Jesus “took on “,  but is that what scripture says, ( not me?)……Heb2:9 ….but we see Jesus , “WHO WAS MADE”,  a little lower then the Angels, for the suffering of death”…..

We are also “MADE”,   a “little” lower then the angels, and we also suffer death.  And we must also put our  “wills” to death, just like he did.…[Read more]

Proclaimer. …..Wrong, I certainly do know people and things are called by their “ATRIBUTES”   A airplane is call a bird,  because it flies like a bird, but is it an actual bird? Of course not,  there in lies the problem,  being call something because of a similar a tribute does not make you that thing,  I fully understand that, and that appl…[Read more]

Berean,  you said, “You’re going to tell me, but this power comes from the father.This is true in a,  “certain” sense”.

No,  this is true in a “APSOLUTE” SENSE,   Jesus himself said,  (not me) …….“the Son of Man can do “NOTHING” of himself”.    what does the word  “NOTHING”,  mean to you?  AND how does that fit in with your,  Jesus is the cr…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….Wisdom is not a person, it is an “ATRIBUTE” ,  one of the seven  Spirits, of God,  trying to make it out to be Jesus is simply forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say or even hint at.  

This is what you are doing with many other scriptures also, like thinking when Jesus said,  “before”  Abraham, I am,  as meaning…[Read more]

Desire truth…….Welcome to my and Jodi’s world,  These people haven’t a clue what scriptures actually say, they rely on the lies of modern “christanity” inturpitations and conform to the Prophesy of Paul, in “2ths2”,    they have turned the “man” Jesus into their God .  Just as Pual said they would,  they have turned the “image” of him into a…[Read more]

Berean…….Jesus said (not me)…..“this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU”,  the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, and Jesus Christ who you have sent”. 

And again scriptures says (not me) …….“but unto us there is but “ONE” God, and one “MEDIATOR”,  between God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ”. 

And again scripture says (not me) …..“GOD IS NOT…[Read more]

Berean……..You bet I cast doubt on the  New Testement,  translations,  epically when and where it contradicts  the old Testement.

As Desire truth, has said you are living in a “box” , YES a box  created for you by,  the SEVENTH DAY ADVANTISTS,  a box without a door.

By the way it wasn’t me who told us to do what I said, it was THE APOSTA…[Read more]

Desire Truth……..I believe, if whatever is said “contradicts ”  what is written in the old Testement,  it is a lie.  I also believe it takes the “spirit of truth”  to guide your mind into the true meaning of scriptures.  

We were told by PAUL to study the scriptures, to show ourselves , “approved unto God by “rightly” dividing the word of…[Read more]

Jodi……..It’seems not about the truth to them, it about their false religious ideas, their not even intellegent enough to understand  that what they say is completely again what scriptures in the old Testement says, they create complete contradictions, in our scriptures, And don’t even know  they are.

But the the true way like we are e…[Read more]

Proclaimer……..There exists no such thing as a Will, being free itself,  or it would not be called a will, now would it? ,  Free will,  is an OXYMORON,  because no such thing exists.

Wills are  driven desires, nothing free about it.,  Jesus said (not me),   pray like this,  “OUR Father who art in heaven, the kingdom come “THY WILL” , be done…[Read more]

Desire Truth. …….What I believe God was speaking to,  was the “Seven Spirits of God “,  these seven .spirits are what I believe God sends out into all his Kingdom , to perform his will in all his creation. We are told Theses Seven Spirits gobefore his throne and go out into the earth to perform the will of God, in all his holy creation.  No…[Read more]

Jodi…….Those who truly know the truth , know what you have written is the truth from God’s word.  Haven’t you noticed they never address all the tons of scriptures you quote. THEY ONLY COME BACK WITH A Single SCRIPTURE,  that they can twist to mean something other they what it is actually saying.  They simply use them to , “cloud the tru…[Read more]