DesireTruth………who do you think the “our” there in 53  represents,  I believe the our is a all inclusive word, meaning the prophet Isaiah and the people of Israel,  and could even represent the whole world.  Kinda of like wen Jesus said pray in this way…….“Our” father, who art in heaven”.   Again that’s an all inclusive statement,  meaning Jesus an…[Read more]

Danny…….You have to understand, in “what “sense” , did he die,  also you need to understand the word “for” can just as easily mean “because of”. Jesus died on the cross,  i.e. tree,   “Because of “. the sins of the world,  He did not pay your sin debt off for you, you will pay for that by dying yourself.  “The “SOUL” that sins “IT’ shall die”.…[Read more]

To All……Jesus did not die for anyone’s personal sin debt.  We will die for our own sins,  the idea Jesus paid our sin debt off is a lie, our death pays it .  Just as scripture says, “the soul that sins it shall die”,  all have sinned all die.,  

But you would say , Jesus did not sin, so why did he die then? ,  many say he died to payoff my si…[Read more]

To All……Jesus did not die for anyone’s personal sin debt.  We will die for our own sins,  the idea Jesus paid our sin debt off is a lie, our death pays it .  Just as scripture says, “the soul that sins it shall die”,  all have sinned all die.,  

But you would say , Jesus did not sin, so why did he die then? ,  many say he died to payoff my si…[Read more]

Desire Truth….I do know where you are coming from, I left the false teachings the Catholic and Protestant religions a long long time ago,  I also kept the law way enter then the Jews do by far.  I did that for seven years,  from the time I was 3o to about 37,  I study and obeyed “the law”far better then my Jewish friends did , I was in the WWCG,…[Read more]

YOU: For these Rabbis to be correct, it would mean that the Christ has not come yet and Jesus was either an impostor or never existed.”

ME: Well that’s an interesting thought………..Desire Truth> please tell me you not starting to think that Jesus is not the MESSIAH , don’t let those Jews corrupt your mind,  they knew ” exactly” the time of his “…[Read more]

Carmel…….How can you say you “believe” Jesus, when you have turned him into your God,  something the man Jesus never did.  Jesus said this (not me). …..”this is life eternal, that they might know “YOU” THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD,  “AND” Jesus Christ w you have sent”.   Does that sound to you like Jesus is saying he is God?

So to me that makes you a…[Read more]

Desire Truth……..Be careful of believing the Jews,  they reject Jesus as the “Messiah”  even to this day. But there is a “few” who do believe Jesus is the “Messiah .  They knew the exact time the Messiah was to be born, from scripture, and they rejected him anyway,  be careful not to be taken in by them brother.

I have studied Isaiah 53 from bo…[Read more]

Carmel……if you think you actually are eating Jesus flesh and actually drinking his blood, in a physical sense you’re your mistaking ,  eat and drink are simply a “METAPHOR”  which simply means to take to yourself his life (the way he lived) ,  it has nothing to do with actually eating any flesh or drinking any blood, at all.

peace and love to y…[Read more]

To all…….There is no proof of a “preexisting ” Jesus in any of our Old Testament scriptures at all, no one can produce a single scripture showing “ANY” activity of him being alive before his birth on this earth at all> the only thing they do is force texts to say what in fact it does not, by adding their own thoughts to the actual writings.  Jesu…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Who here is denying Isaiah 53,  was not speaking about Jesus in prophesy.?
but tell us what is met in verse 8,  …..who in “HIS GENERATION” protested.

That term “in his generation”. Should tell you his generation was not at the time of that prophesy, “why” ?, because he did not then exist as a live being. The whole thing is a [Read more]

Berean……..I think Desire Truth, is not trying to dismiss Jesus as a messiah, but simply trying to get you to see him in a right way.  The way the Old Testament Jew’s viewed him.  They saw Jesus as a descendent of king David, not as a “preexisting” being  who was “morphed” into a human being from some kind of past life as you view him.

I also see…[Read more]

Carmel……Jesus saying we must eat his flesh and drink his blood, is a “METAPHOR”  for the words simply meaning we must take his life to ourselves, and become exactly like him.

when you eat of drink something you are taking it into yourself and it becomes part of “your” very existence.   Fact is if you don’t do that you have “no life in you”.
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Proclaimer…….Jesus was simply telling he was more “important” them Abraham to them,  the Jews trusted in their relationship to Abraham as the sign that made them important to God, they used that all the time even to JOHN the Baptist  who told them God could raise up stone to Abraham if he wanted to.  The Jews even use this today, they think their…[Read more]

Desire Truth…….Well said, good post, I wish Carmel and Berean, would start taking these things to heart.

peace and love to you and yours Desire Truth……….gene

Desire Truth…….Well said, good post, I wish Carmel and Berean, would start taking these things to heart.

peace and love to you and yours Desire Truth……….gene

Carmel , you said

2 Corinthians 6:5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things,

that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
did afterwards destroy them that believed not:

1Corinthians 10:4And did all eat the same spiritual food, 4And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual…[Read more]

Carmel……Interesting how you leave out parts of scriptures that show your corrupt thinking .
here is what scripture actually says…….Phil 2:11……”And that every tongue “should” confess that Jesus Christ is lord, to the “GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER”.

NOTICE, it doesn’t say to the glory of Jesus, as you falsely present it, but to the glory of [Read more]

Danny Dobbs…..I said….. “MY SAVIOR AND JESUS’ SAVIOR IS GOD THE FATHER” , NONE OTHER.

You said. …Me: And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1 John 4:14

me……That’s right, just as Moses was sent by God to save Israel, but who actually saved them was it Moses or God the Father ?

Jesus-was inde…[Read more]

Carmel…….According to you people, he always was a life giving Spirit,  so then why does it say “HE “BCAME”,  A life giving Spirit.   Seeing you falsely believe he always was?

Trust me Carmel you haven’t a clue what you are saying,  you have fallen for the biggest “LIE” ever fostered on humanity.  In fact you are a minister of that “LIE”  yours…[Read more]