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    Desire Truth……Again Berean has brought out scriptures that back the point of who the servant of God really was,  it was the one that would “restore Israel” ,  not Israel itself.  Right.  so with that in view the prophesy in Isa 53,  could not be referring to the nation of Israel it self. The nation of Israel never did any of those things mentione…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth…….I agree with Berean,  on this one,  you do need to show us in what “WAY”  has Israel died or suffered for “OUR” INIQUITIES and SINS, then, seeing you insist the nation of Israel was the one being addressed in chapter 53, right?   You haven’t produced a single scripture that supports Israel “bearing anyone’s sins and iniquities,…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth   Sorry I meant to a a “Plural” expression on Israel as a single nation in Issa 52.

    sorry for the mistake……./.Gene

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    Derailed Truth……Isaiah 53,  does not have a single plural noun mentioned in it concerning the suffering servant,  not one,  all expressions there are in the ‘Singular ”    Therefore it could not be Israel as a nation, or it would all be expressed in a “plural ” sense> your switching a singular expression of an individual “SOUL”  TO the PLURAL SOUL…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth…….Isaiah was a prophet to the kingdom of Judah,  not sent to The kingdom of Israel or the rest of the world, as you seem to insist,  he was talking about his sins and the Nation of Judah,  so if you understand that, then the People being spoken of in the Prophecy could not have been Israel , it’s just that simple.

    Another point yo…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth………Jesus said……> Luk 9:22 ..>The son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes,  and “BE SLAIN” ,  and be raised the third day.”  And again in Matt…..>“if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up “his cross”, and follow me.  25, ” for (or because) whosoever will…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth, you said…….> If you want more to start “thinking” about:

    When did God ever require a human sacrifice? “Pagans” did that.

    My response would be…….>Did God ask ABRAHAM to sacrifice his Son? You see sacrifice is a sign of your faith ,  Jesus sacrificed himself to “demonstrate”,  what God the Father requires of us all.  He didn’t die to…[Read more]

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    Carmel you SAID THIS………. .> THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM…….

    WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

    Here is your answer very simply put just for you ok……….Spirit “IS”  the “COGNICITI”, A PERSON or animal HAS, given them by God, it Leo’s who the person or thing is.   WEATHER  a “CLEAN OR UNCLEAN” person or thing.

    You my friend seem to lack that ability, when it comes to our…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth………Have you ever thought that the nation of Israel, has also never done any of those things mentioned in Isa 53,  we must establish who was Isaiah talking about in, Isa 53:2…”.and when “We” shall see him” ……..>who is the “we” mentioned there? If the we is Israel then the passage is not talking about Israel right? . also the term “WE…[Read more]

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    Carmel you said…….>DID HE POSSESSED THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD or

    SEVEN ATTRIBUTES OF GOD

    Isaiah 11:1 AND there shall come forth a rod out of the root of Jesse, and a flower shall rise up out of his root.

    2And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him:

    (1) the spirit of wisdom, and

    (2) of understanding,

    (3) the spirit of counsel, and

    (4) of…[Read more]

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    Desire truth…….The word “for” ,  in English used in our translations come from at least 5 different Greek words,  which they translated into the English word for.  Most all of them carry the meaning “because of”.  For,  always carries “causality ” with it.  Especially in old English writings.

    so as I said I see Jesus’ death as a result of “…[Read more]

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    Carmel……Attributes are not beings , not now nor ever where. They are what being poses , “as in “the attributes of God, are seen by the things created “,  Forcing our text to say what they absolutely do not say , is all you seem to be able to do.  Wisdom is an attribute not a person as you falsely describe it, anyone can poses it, scripture says……[Read more]

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    I realize what I have been writing lately goes against everything I have said in the past; but, what Paul said about the Messiah is huge by claiming “according to scripture” the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried, and raised on the third day. Paul wasn’t saying when you read between lines of the OT you will find Jesus, he was s…[Read more]

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    Carmel.  You said……..>”ON THE OTHER HAND IN 1:2 ONLY THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS MENTIONED!

    WHAT HAPPENED TO GOD?”

    Are you sitting down because here comes your answer……> Jesus said (not me)……>John 4:24….> ” God “IS” A Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and truth” .  So if God is a Spirit as Jesus said, then what difference…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth……..scripture tells us (not me)…….> John 2:27….> “But the “ANOINTING” which you have received of (from) him abides in you, and you need not that “ANY” man teach you: but as the same “Anointing” teaches you of (about) all things, and is “TRUTH”, and is no lie, and even as it (the spirit of truth) has taught you , you shall abide in h…[Read more]

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    Desire Truth…….I agree the king James, does have many Grammatical errors in it, many words are translated as much as ten different ways with ten different meanings in the text,  but I believe the Spirit of truth in us  gets us  to the right meanings.

    peace and love to you and yours Desire Truth……….gene

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    Carmel…….Jesus said (not me) …..> pray this way ,  “OUR” Father who art in heaven’’……. And again….> “how much more shall “YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER” GIVE the Holy Spirit to them that ask him”. So tell us what does the words “OUR ” and “YOUR” mean there to you, O  “self appointed”, wise  one? Obviously not the same as it does to the rest of all humanit…[Read more]

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    Carmel……what do you think the words,  “there is “NO” God besides me”. Means?, Are you so ignorant you can’t even put that together?, like I said even a simpleton can put that together. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours Carmel…….gene

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    Carmel…….The Old Testament , most certainly mentions that there is only “ONE” God , in many places,   God himself said it many times.  I have quoted it to you already Isa 44:6….> Thus says the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts:  I am first, and I am last; and beside me there is “NO” God.

    and again Isa 44:8….>…[Read more]

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    Carmel…….AGAIN LONG POSTS. That spin twisted LIES CONCERNING WHAT THE SCRIPTURES  DO NOT ACTUALLY SAY.  GO back and study your real pigeon 2Ths 2.

    That prophecy of Paul’s fits perfectly who you and many others have done with Jesus, the “ONLY ” MAN now sitting in the TEMPLE OF GOD. ”   And you and others display him as your God, and will be h…[Read more]

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