Desire Truth…….Ok, I used the word when, because it was a “prophesied” event, but changing it doesn’t change anything,  there is not one scholar that I know of that doesn’t  think it was not a prophesied event.  Need proof?

Isa 53:2…… “for he shall” ,  and “when he shall see him”

Isa 53:10…..”when” thou shall make his Soul” , “he “shall” see,…[Read more]

Nick…….Amen brother. Jesus “demonstrated” to all humanity what it takes to please God the Father,  we must all become exactly like him, and with the Spirit of God in us we all can become exactly the same as Jesus himself is,  just a as he said, “whosoever overcomes even as I have, I will grant to set with me in my kingdom, even as I have overcom…[Read more]

Nick……Excellent posts brother.  So glad to see you back posting again.

peace and love to you and yours Nick…………..gene

Desire Truth…….Who was Jesus “obeying”,  When he poured out his soul to death”? Was it not God himself?,  , so knowing that , then it becomes clear that Jesus in “OBEDIENCE” to the “Will”,  of God the Father, if you know that, then it is also clear that, it was God the Father who suffered him to do that,  and made his soul a sacrifice . Simple a…[Read more]

Nick…….Right on brother,  Are you back my old friend?  Missed you a lot.  Hope all is going well for you and yours.

peace and love to you and you Nick………..gene

Desire Truth……..you said…..>Vs. 10 Yet it pleased HaShem to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days, and that the purpose of HaShem might prosper by his hand:

It “pleased” or “delighted” God to crush his “son” and to make him “weak”, “sick”, or “ill”? This doesn’t ma…[Read more]

Jodi………Hope all is well with you and yours, Excellent post,  that’s the way I see it also.  Hope Desire Truth,  comes to see it that way also.  Thanks.

peace and love to you and yours Jodi…………..gene

Jodi………Hope all is well with you and yours, Excellent post,  that’s the way I see it also.  Hope Desire Truth,  comes to see it that way also.  Thanks.

peace and love to you and yours Jodi…………..gene

Berean good job ,  all the disciples  knew that those scriptures were talking about Jesus, I also believe that.  The kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah,  only served God when they were forced to, by their leaders,  they were rebellious to God continuously,  that is why God kicked them out of their lands because they rebelled against him a…[Read more]

Desire Truth…….If you are going to insist that it is referring to Israel as a “righteous Servant of God” in the ‘Song” then it is also incumbent upon you to tell us,  in what way “Israel was a, “Righteous Servant” , Right?   If you can’t prove that, then your whole argument fails apart right?
Another thing to remember is Jesus himself was an Is…[Read more]

Desire Truth……Again Berean has brought out scriptures that back the point of who the servant of God really was,  it was the one that would “restore Israel” ,  not Israel itself.  Right.  so with that in view the prophesy in Isa 53,  could not be referring to the nation of Israel it self. The nation of Israel never did any of those things mentione…[Read more]

Desire Truth…….I agree with Berean,  on this one,  you do need to show us in what “WAY”  has Israel died or suffered for “OUR” INIQUITIES and SINS, then, seeing you insist the nation of Israel was the one being addressed in chapter 53, right?   You haven’t produced a single scripture that supports Israel “bearing anyone’s sins and iniquities,…[Read more]

Desire Truth   Sorry I meant to a a “Plural” expression on Israel as a single nation in Issa 52.

sorry for the mistake……./.Gene

Derailed Truth……Isaiah 53,  does not have a single plural noun mentioned in it concerning the suffering servant,  not one,  all expressions there are in the ‘Singular ”    Therefore it could not be Israel as a nation, or it would all be expressed in a “plural ” sense> your switching a singular expression of an individual “SOUL”  TO the PLURAL SOUL…[Read more]

Desire Truth…….Isaiah was a prophet to the kingdom of Judah,  not sent to The kingdom of Israel or the rest of the world, as you seem to insist,  he was talking about his sins and the Nation of Judah,  so if you understand that, then the People being spoken of in the Prophecy could not have been Israel , it’s just that simple.

Another point yo…[Read more]

Desire Truth………Jesus said……> Luk 9:22 ..>The son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes,  and “BE SLAIN” ,  and be raised the third day.”  And again in Matt…..>“if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up “his cross”, and follow me.  25, ” for (or because) whosoever will…[Read more]

Desire Truth, you said…….> If you want more to start “thinking” about:

When did God ever require a human sacrifice? “Pagans” did that.

My response would be…….>Did God ask ABRAHAM to sacrifice his Son? You see sacrifice is a sign of your faith ,  Jesus sacrificed himself to “demonstrate”,  what God the Father requires of us all.  He didn’t die to…[Read more]

Carmel you SAID THIS………. .> THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM…….

WHAT IS A SPIRIT?

Here is your answer very simply put just for you ok……….Spirit “IS”  the “COGNICITI”, A PERSON or animal HAS, given them by God, it Leo’s who the person or thing is.   WEATHER  a “CLEAN OR UNCLEAN” person or thing.

You my friend seem to lack that ability, when it comes to our…[Read more]

Desire Truth………Have you ever thought that the nation of Israel, has also never done any of those things mentioned in Isa 53,  we must establish who was Isaiah talking about in, Isa 53:2…”.and when “We” shall see him” ……..>who is the “we” mentioned there? If the we is Israel then the passage is not talking about Israel right? . also the term “WE…[Read more]

Carmel you said…….>DID HE POSSESSED THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD or

SEVEN ATTRIBUTES OF GOD

Isaiah 11:1 AND there shall come forth a rod out of the root of Jesse, and a flower shall rise up out of his root.

2And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him:

(1) the spirit of wisdom, and

(2) of understanding,

(3) the spirit of counsel, and

(4) of…[Read more]