Jodi……well put, Jesus certanly had a God he prayed to that he called his “father” in heaven, just as he told us to pray ” our ” Father who art in heaven”  by him saying “our”, that’s a all “inclusive ” term, which includes Jesus himself. 

No scripture tells us to pray to Jesus as our GOD. He is our brother in the family of God, like it sa…[Read more]

Derean…..No one is arguing that point, yes Jesus is before all things, except for His God and our God, his Father and our Father. I quoted that scripture directly that says that. You present Jesus as GOD himself, no scripture says that, those are the concepts of false trinitarian religion, that infected the true church ,   from the “GNOSTIC’S “…[Read more]

Davo. ….again you just completely reject the scriptures I directly quoted , to you written in your bible,  why is that? You just act as I’d what we directly quote is not there,  is it not because your false beliefs, will not even let you deal with then, like most trinitarians here , they just can’t even consider those scriptures, that I as w…[Read more]

Berean ……here is your answer…….1Co 15: 26-27…..”for he (God) has put all things under his (Jesus’) feet.  BUT when he (God) says “all” things , are put under him, it is “manifest” that he (GOD THE FATHER) IS “EXCLUDED”. 

Jesus himself said this not me….John 17:3…..And this is “life eternal”, that they might know you the <…[Read more]

DAVO…..If EVE came from ADAM, as he said she did, then how is it that you say Jesus was not of Adam?   Again I say if you don’t see Jesus as a “son of man” who came into his “only ” existence as a true flesh human , then you simply so not see the “real” Jesus, of scriptures.  I know this is disturbingly to you and others here, but the truth no…[Read more]

LU….the word “the” , is a definite artical, specific to something, that is correct,  but not to the exclusion of others,  for instance we could say , “the mechanic “,  talking about a paticular person, but not exclusive to all the others, because we know there are many mechanics.

There are many lords “adoni” but only one “adonia” ( Almighty God…[Read more]

Jodi….. another excellent post .

Peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene

Davo. ….Jodi is right on, if you don’t see Jesus as a fellow human being,  who came into his only true existence exactly as we do, through a human birth process, and his DNA being from the loins or roots of King David, then you simply are not seening the real Jesus yet.  Pay paticularly close attention to what Jodi posts, she is presenting the t…[Read more]

Togel,  welcome to the site,  you have it right concerning me and Jodi, and I think Mike , just a few here believe in ONE,  and “ONLY ” ONE “true”  GOD.  Most believe the way trinitarians believe.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

LU…..YOUR AND OTHERS problem here is not understanding the Greek word “dia” in it’s a true Greek meaning, even though I have posted it here many times, It is ease to just go to Strongs explanation of the word and apply it to the text. YOU will see it should be translated as , “for the purpose of, as a channel or purpose which GOD CREATED ALL T…[Read more]

Davo…..you completely missed my point,  it was that Jesus know he was a human being and was not a God, he could have let those who were there think he was the God that raised up LAZARUS FROM THE DEAD , but it was the FATHER WHO RAISED LAZARUS,  Jesus could do “nothing of himself”  he himself not only then never had the power to raise the dead…[Read more]

Davo. …..Scripture says Jesus  “learned obediance” by the things he suffered,  tell us how could a God “learn obediance”,  seening GOD IS ALL KNOWING?  

As far as what emptied himself is concerned with,  Jesus could have used his position as the anointed one of GOD, to advance his own reputation, and use it to glorify himself, but he did not. …[Read more]

Mike…..GOOD POST, right on, I like it when you bring out those little points of truth. I completely agree with what you wrote to Berean. I might cause him to begin to think about the actual word as the are said exactly more.

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

LU….you use the word “if” many times in your explanations, of  what “you think”  it “could” be,  but not solid  scriptural proofs,  Jodi and I want “scriptural proof”  if you can’t produce that then it is pure speculations on your and others part.

Taking a scripture and applying something to it you think “might” be right, even though the text d…[Read more]

T8…..What exactly do you believe  Jesus “emptied” himself of, before he was “morphed” into a human being, in the womb of Mary? How did that exactly happen?, what perposes would it serve if it were true?,  what kind of true example would he be for us?, seening Jesus tells us to do “exactly”  as he did?,   So how do we overcome “exactly” as he d…[Read more]

Jodi…..they just do not get it. It simply has not been given them to understand, or they would clearly see. I took LU’s own words and applied what she said to us also, and what is her answer?, but was her conclusion ?, it  applies to Jesus, but not us also.  These people haven’t a clue what they are saying. The hundreds if not thousands of s…[Read more]

Berean. … no scripture says Jesus “is” the word of God,  it says he is “called” the word of God, as in a title.  That “title” is afforded  him because he speaks , “GOD’S WORD” to us, that God has told him to tell us.  why is that so hard for you to understand?

We call a airplane a bird, but is it?, no,  but it flies in the air like a bird, but…[Read more]

Lu….the your cell division allied to Jesus right,  but then it also applies to all who have his seed of life in them. So how is Jesus any different then us all who have his Spirit (seed) in us.  So according to your reasoning , why should we “worship” Jesus as a God and not ourselves also?  Seening we also have his seed (Spirit) in us too.  You…[Read more]

To all……what is a word,  ….”intellegent utterance”.  JOHN 1:1…. In the beginning was,  “intellegent utterance,”  and intellegent utterance was with God, and “intellegent utterance”  was God. 

Words are SPIRIT, and what expresses “LIFE”. 

Nothing complicated about it, only “mystery religion”, wants to complicate it, and use it to confus…[Read more]