Edj……That only means That was the plan God had in mind m  “from the very beginning” of creation. 

It does not place anyone there but God himself. Again you are forcing the text to say what it does not spicifically say. Assumptions does not make truth.

Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

Proclaim…..So how does that support the idea, that, that person saying it,  himself existed from the foundations of the earth, just because he was given the ability to  know how to speak in parables about thing existing from the foundation of the earth.

Are you trying to force the text to mean Jesus was their at the foundations of the e…[Read more]

Edj……The Foundation of the earth is what supports the earth in it’s present existence, just as the foundation of a building supports it.

The foundation of this earth was laid and created by our “one and only “true God.  Just that simple imo.

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

Jodi……what amazes me is , no matter how many times you and I quote exact scriptures to them they seem completely unable to recieve them into their thinking .  I believe even if Jesus himself were here them they still would not perceive it, simply amazing.

But does prove the point, “unless the LORD build the house the weary builders, build i…[Read more]

Edj…..The reason Jesus said “we” will come unto him, is because there is “only” one true God, who is Spirit,  when a person has the Fathers Spirit “in” Him, as Jesus had,   then he becomes “one” with God,  Jesus and the Father were  “in” Each other. Remember what Jesus said? “the Father is “in” me and I (Jesus ) am in him”,  they are one in Spir…[Read more]

Edj…..you missed what Jodi said, she said “there was no God impregnation David’s vergin daughter Mary with an,  “already existing”  son of God, combining that son with Mary’s genes  to make a son of David.”

Her point was about a “preexisting” being being impregnated into the womb of Mary.  She was not saying God did not “impregnate” Mary, her w…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Please show me and others  where I or Jodi do not believe scriptures, fact is,  it is you people who do not understand scriptures, nor what Jesus  himself clearly said.   We quote scriptures and what Jesus clearly said over and over and over here.  While I am a skeptic of how you and others here enturppet what scriptures “clea…[Read more]

Jodi……AMEN, you have nailed it! , it’s sad to me that these people have been feed all these “lies”,  over so many years,  about “the “man” Jesus,  our lord ,  who is  our elder Brother , that sits at the right hand of his God,  and our God, his Father,  and our Father, waiting to retun to this earth, and rule it, with us, for a thousan…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ….You make it out to be like another “being” of Somekind, decided to be “morphed into a human body”, now let take a look at that in all honesty.

1……What would that prove,  to any real human being?  “nothing at all”. 

2…..What example of living a perfect life by a devine being, accomplish in humanity? “nothing”  We alre…[Read more]

Edj……Where do  you see Jesus denying he was the Son of David,?, he said “how” was he, not he “was not”, the Son of David.  The question Jesus ask was “how was he” Davids son?  He was David Son through his human lineage,  that’s how.  

Inorder for  false teachers to push the point of A PREEXISTING GOD JESUS,  they have to deny that he came fro…[Read more]

Carmel…Luke 1:3…….He “shall be”  great, and “shall be” called, the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God,  “shall give” unto him the throne of “his Father”,  “DAVID”. 

WHAT PART OF THAT SCRIPTURE YOU PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND.  let me “try” to  help you a little OK? 

“shall be”, “shall give”……all future tense expressions, meaning he w…[Read more]

Proclaimer and Edj……Jodi is apsolutelty right, need proof?…..

John 1:29….The next day John sees Jesus comming unto him, and says, Behold the “Lamb of God” Which takes away the sin of the world. 

John 1: 36…..AND looking upon Jesus as he walked, he said, “Behold the Lamb of God”.

If that is not enough for you unblevers, here is mo…[Read more]

.Proclaimer. …..let me clarify it for you and Edj..  if you stick to the “exact wording” if becomes clear.

First of all no one is saying that the Christos, or (the anointing Spirit ) is, of ADAM,   a human being,   what we are saying is the son of man, better known as the “son of man” ,  Jesus , was from ADAM.  As He said he said he was,  “I…[Read more]

Edj……it dosen’t say “the spirit of Jesus”, it say the “the spirit of  Christ,  meaning the “anointing ” spirit , that is the spirit of God the man Jesus had in him, it is the same Spirit we recieve also.  It was the Holy Spirit speaking through the “mouth of the “man” Jesus, all those who have that same Spirit in them are one with Jesus and…[Read more]

Pilgrim…..the same thing can be said about “in the beginning of you, the word became with you and the word was a man  “you”, why do you think it is any different with Our God,  in the “BEGINNING”, of ‘all” things in this earth, was the words God spoke, GENESIS 1,  “AND GOD SAID” , LET THERE BE”.    John was not referencing the “man” Jesus at a…[Read more]

Edj……The Spirit of Christ is ,  “the anointing Spirit of God”,  which is not “always” speaking  of the “anointed” man JESUS, but the “Anointing SPIRIT”,  from God,  which was on “all” God the Fathers prophets, including Jesus . Your making the same mistake “many” make, thinking everytime you see the word “Christ” it is referring to the man…[Read more]

Jodi… Right God’s words are the expression of “his thoughts”,  not the thoughts of anyone else, and when anyone “quotes” them as Jesus and the prophets did to us, they were expressing GOD the Fathers “thoughts”, not theirs. 

God and his word are one and the same thing, just as our words and us arem  the same thing no difference.  We cann…[Read more]

Edj…..we have been through all that before , that scripture is no speaking about hoe the will “itself” Works.  even simple logic itself , should tell you that he was speaking of a person who “volinteers” to do it, but it is not addressing the “reason” that caused that person to “will” to do it, now is it?  We all have freedom to do thing we “want…[Read more]

Carmel….You  do not understand,  that Jesus had power to lay down his life or take it up , because the Spirit of God dwelt “in” him. The same thing  applies  to all, who have the Spirit of God,  “in” them , it is the power of the resurection from the grave.  Carmel you  and others  seem to not read or not understood these scriptu…[Read more]

Edj…..Jodi gives exact scripture quotations, not partial scriptures but fully written scriptures,  over and over here,  that is hardly “her” opinion.

Your getting her mixed up with CARMEL, AND OTHERS HERE WHO DO THAT, they even change scriptures or force the text to try to make them say what in fact the do not “specifically say, or in some c…[Read more]