Jodi

You sweep away with your hand the texts which support the pre-existence and the divinity of the Son of God …
This has been demonstrated many times on this forum by many participants … but you ignore it.

Hi Jodi, you can not escape from those NT scriptures which made man Jesus as divine and preexistence being. I appreciate the arguments put…[Read more]

Please tell me what part did Jesus play? Seeing God made it all?

Are you saying God Can do nothing without Jesus? I thought it was Jesus who said he could do ‘”NOTHING ” of himself.

Tell me what does this scripture mean to you?

Isa 42:5….this says God the LORD, That created the heavens and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, an…[Read more]

Hi Berean you said :

the moon under her feet:
people of God under the Old Covenant (shadows of things to come, Christ is foreshadowed)

Ha ha you are forgetting that Christianity is based on the Hebrew scriptures which were the very origin and source of NT writers. This is the fate of our Christianity we think that Jewish scriptures are absolete…[Read more]

The New Testament teaches the heavenly preexistence of Christ before taking flesh:
For any person to be fully divine, he must exist forever—God, by definition, cannot begin to exist or be created. In various ways, the New Testament affirms that Christ did, in fact, exist in the spiritual or heavenly realm before being born in the flesh. John’s Gos…[Read more]

Adam….Thanks for your input brother. I know your frustration here brother , but it is good to understand that we must bear witness of the truth also, brother .  Being faithful to the truth that has been given us, has it’s rewards in the end brother.

There is only a short time left , the process of our lord Jesus our brother is all ready star…[Read more]

Hi Carmel, Thanks form your reply to my post. In fact I am debating here on the NT writings which interpreted Hebrew scriptures to suit their agenda on Jesus as Jewish Messiah and how he fulfilled OT prophecies. For example if we take the writer of First Gospel in the NT He is the one comes with lot of fulfillments of the OT prophecies by…[Read more]

Hi Berean, What evidence you require. I have already gave the examples on how NT writers interpreted Hebrew scriptures and to suit their Christology.

The belief that Jesus fulfilled scripture is part of the DNA, as it were, of Christianity. That belief goes back as far as anything historians can trace in early Christianity. Paul, whose letters…[Read more]

Thanks  brother Gene for your reply to my post. In fact not only the NT translators but the very writers of New testament created ambiguity of Jesus’ role in creation along with God and also as sharing the divinity with God of the Hebrew Bible. This Christian idea of Messiah involvement in God’s creation and sharing the divinity are foreign to…[Read more]

Nick……..Jesus said not everyone who says, Lord, Lord unto me shall enter into the kingdom of God, but he who does the will of the Father. Jesus places the obedience to the Father, over his own personal position. We are told to give honor to Jesus (TO) the glory of the Father. Many have pushed Jesus to the same position as the Father making him a G…[Read more]

Thank you so much brother Gene for replying my post above. Lot of new thoughts you have shared here. Yes God created man as mortal and weak so that he would depend on God. But the problem here is NT writers and early Church fathers misinterpreted Hebrew scriptures and invented unwanted doctrines like Original sin which needed a Vicarious atonement…[Read more]

Original sin is the Christian doctrine that humans inherit a tainted nature and a proclivity to sin through the fact of birth. Theologians have characterized this condition in many ways, seeing it as ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a “sin nature”,…[Read more]

Hello brother Gene, this is the problem with the NT writers they forced the Jewish scriptures to suit their purpose. The writer of Fourth Gospel had put words into Jesus mouth to fulfill his Christology stating that Jesus was preexisting before his birth as human being. He was the ‘word’ that was with God in the beginning and was somehow involved…[Read more]

Yes brother Gene, the name Jesus is found  in the Hebrew scriptures but NT writers and Christianity started searching Jewish scriptures to place Jesus in those scriptures so that they can prove that they are write in their arguments. One great example is Justin Martyr. If we read his writings especially his “Dialogue with Trypho” clarifies this…[Read more]

Hello Brother Gene, it’s a joy to hear you after so many years. Thanks for your concern for me and my family. We are safe here by the grace of God in the midst of worst crisis. I know I miss all of you in Heavennet but due to some personal reasons I opted out of these unending discussions. Hope you are all doing well there.

Please take care…[Read more]

India’s ‘double mutation’ covid virus variant is worrying the world

Hello friends, this is Adam from India after so many years I am seeing this Heavennet. In India we are in the midst of great Pandemic COVID19 new strain and many dying daily. It’s really panic situation here. Please uphold us in your prayers. Thanking you all…God bless.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2014,10:35)Quote (942767 @ June 05 2014,07:49)Quote (gadam123 @ June 05 2014,20:31)…….the birth narratives rightly state that the Jesus 'will be' called son of God after his birth not prior to his birth. The word 'will be' is so clear every where in these narrations. I don't know why our brothers Mike and Terraricca…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 04 2014,11:34)Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2014,14:48)MartySo the conception of Jesus is made possible through the power of God , not through the power of the holy spirit , the holy spirit is OF GodHi Pierre:This is what the scripture:Quote And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the…[Read more]