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It is finished…God bless you all! TK

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Pierre: As you believe the truth…so it is for you! As I believe the truth….so it is for me! I am at total peace! Bless you in your effort! TK

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J42: You write many scriptures, but a beginner can re-write the Bible. God says in all things of Christ….get understanding! Understanding is when the “light” comes on and one says….oh, I “see”! You have provided absolutely no spiritual “understanding” from “spirit truth”! When the spirit comes to you with understanding and interpretation, then you will be able to “hear” with “hearing ears” and “see” with “seeing eyes (or understanding). IMO, TK

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Pierre: You say:

……WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE NOT BETTER OR MORE UNLIGHTED IN SCRIPTURES THAN PAUL WAS THIS IS TRUE ;

HOW COME HE CLAIM THAT HE DID NOT ATTAINED IT YET THAT OBJECTIVE TO BE WORTHY OF EVERLASTING LIFE,

BUT YOU ARE WHY ?

SO YOU MUST BE BETTER THAN PAUL ,PETER,JOHN ,JAMES,
BECAUSE YOU CONTRADICT THEM ALL,……!

I ask you, Pierre, why do you attack me? Do you believe it is “Christian” or “Christ-like” to attempt to defile and tear down another child of God? Is it your duty to compare and analyze one brother as less than another brother? Is this how you read the scriptures?

Sarcastically dissing me compared to Paul and Peter whom even the scriptures admit Paul was an anti-christ murderer of the followers of Christ. Peter was a liar and denied even knowing Jesus or hanging out him. You take the time to try to make it look like I am the worst of all….does that make you feel better….? Gods chosen are definitely recognized by the “fruit” of their lips same as writing of their words!!

For me, if what Paul or Peter or any man on earth says…. does not align with what Jesus said,…. I will not accept as my truth. You say, oh you pick and choose! Yep, I made Jesus lord of my life and so he is forever! I think it need not be repeated what Jesus has said we are through the salvation gift he gave to mankind.

To what ever degree any man on earth can remove ''him/self''' from his mind and take on the mind that Christ gave us, is how pure his light will shine. You are not a judge of that,…only God is! TK

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j42: You have read the same “end time” book that I read 25years ago. I found the scriptures of Jesus to be more accurate that telling people what 7 heads are or beasts or mountains or any other “symbolic” writings. The way is narrow my friend. If you have many followers of your man made doctrines you may all fall into the pit. Here is just a touch of scriptures I found, remember these are from God/Jesus not made up from religious men….

Please ANY AND ALL…IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH….PLEASE CONSIDER THIS EFFORT!

The Kingdom of God:
1)Time is fulfilled, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!(Mark1:15)
2)Change your thinking,(repent) the Kingdom is at hand!(Matt.3:2)
3)Just after Johns ministry Jesus began to preach, repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand.(Matt.4:17)Matt.4:23 preaching the Kingdom is the gospel!
4)The Lords prayer, thy Kingdom come, thy will be done.(Matt.6:10)
5)Jesus said if I cast out devils/deceptive thinking/error thinking then the Kingdom of God is come unto you. (Matt.12:28)
6)Time if fulfilled, Kingdom of God is here. (Mk. 1:14&15)!
7) The comforter, the spirit of truth, & Jesus, the words of God, dwelleth with you and shall be in you–(John 14:17)
…the Kingdom of God cometh not with observation:…neither shall they say, Lo here or lo there! For, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:20&21)
…Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished/completed!
(Luke 18:31)
…when you see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. (Luke 21:31&32)
(Luke 22:15-18)…With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer: For I say unto you I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God…. and he took the cup…for I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingDom of God shall come.(Luke 24:43 & 44)…and he took it, and did eat before them and said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me…
….(Mark 1:15)…The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent (turn from the way you are going) ye and believe the gospel. 8) If a man love me (Jesus) he will keep(believe) my words—and my father will love him and we will come unto him and make our abode/house, home, temple, dwelling place IN HIM!(John14:23)
…Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.(John 15:2)
John 5:39…search the scriptures for in them you think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me, that ye might have life.
Eph.5:26…Jesus gave himself for the church(body)that he might sanctify and cleanse it(your body) with the washing of water by the word…..
Eph.5:27.….that he might present the church/body not having spot or wrinkle….that it should be holy and without blemish….!

9) ….I (Jesus) have chosen you and ordained you….(John15:16)
10) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.(John17:17)
11)..He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but is passed from death unto life.(John5:24)
12)…the work of God is to believe (Jesus’ words) whom he sent.(John6:29)
13)…he that believeth (Jesus) hath everlasting life…(John6:47)
14)…he that eateth my flesh (words) and drinketh my blood (spirit), dwelleth in me (Jesus) and I in him…(John6:56)
15)…the words that I speak (Jesus) unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.(John6:63)
16)…there are some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God…(Luke9:27)
17)..the Law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, (yet) every man presseth into it…(Luke 16:16) (each man still tries to work his way to God under the Law!
18)…and from the days of John the baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffered violence, and the violent (Jews) take it by force (works, effort)…for all of the prophets and the law prophesied until John. (Matt.11:12)
19) Jesus did not come to abolish (stay in or lodge in) the law but to fulfill the law to its completion. The end of the law. Matt.5:17
20) not one stroke of the law will pass away UNTIL all be fulfilled..Matt.5:18
Jesus did not follow the law. He did not honor the Sabbath day, he was the Sabbath day. He did not rest on the Sabbath because he was doing the work of God his father. Jesus is the “rest” the prophets spoke of to come. Rest in his works.
21) All that was written in the scriptures must be fulfilled in Jesus/Christ. Luke 22:37
22) The prophets of old (test) bear witness of Jesus the Christ. Acts 10:43

LAW FULFILLED–COMPLETED–ACCOMPLISHED–FINISHED

1) …but now the righteousness of God…without the law…is manifested…Rom.3:21
2)…man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law…Rom.3:28
3)….the promise to Abraham & seed was not through the law but through righteousness by faith…Rom4:13…v15.…because the law worketh wrath: where there is no law there is no transgression.
4)…how shall we who are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Rom6:2
5)….for sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace. Rom.6:14
6)…we are dead to the law by the body of Christ…Rom.7:4.…the law brought death…Rom.7:6
7)…for the law of the spirit of life (God) in Christ Jesus HATH MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF sin and death. Rom.8:2
8)…Jesus condemned sin in the flesh that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us…Rom.8:4
9)…. With the heart man believeth unto righteousness…. Rom10:10

The Kingdom of God is NOT MEAT OR DRINK but RIGHTEOUS, PEACE AND JOY IN THE HOLY GHOST. Rom.14:17
ALL THINGS INDEED ARE GOOD/PURE, just don’t partake with offense (or believing it is a sin) …..Happy is he who condemneth not himself in the thing he alloweth….Rom.14:20 & 22!

THE END OF TIME:
1)…the son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them…(Luke 9:56) (I guess Jesus is not coming back to fight a great war against mankind…)
2)…in the time of the harvest, I will say unto the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn…(Matt.13:30)
3)…so shall it be in at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just and cast them into the furnace of fire..(Matt.13:49)
Sin:
1)…who taketh away the sin of the world…(John 1:29)
2)…Master who did sin, this man, or his parents that he be born blind….Jesus said, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents…but that the works of God should be made manifest in him I must work the works of him who sent me…(John 9:3)
3)…by the law is the knowledge of sin…(Rom.3:20)
4)…sin is not imputed where there is no law…(Rom.5:13)
5)…being made free from sin…(Rom.6:18)
6)…Jesus manifested to take away our sin (1John 3:5)
7)…Jesus appeared to put away sin…(Heb.9:26)
8)…We have been made free from sin & death…(Rom. 6:18)
V:22…but now being made free from sin…(Rom. 8:2)
9)…anyone that commiteth(abides/agrees with) sin, is a servant of sin…(John8:34)
10)..Jesus taketh away the sin of the world…(John1:29)
11)..Sin: To miss the mark, to err, offend, offense, trespass!
12)..the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin(1John3:7)
13)..if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and

to cleanse us from all unrighteousness(1John 1:9)
14)..repentance(change former thinking) for the remission(washing away of Old thinking) of sin should be preached…(Luke24:47)
15)..whosoever is born of God sinneth not….(1John5:18)
16) If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death…(John8:51)

Cleansing:
1)…now ye are clean through the word(John 15:3)
2)….he is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness( 1John1:9)
3)…what God hath cleansed…call not unclean (Acts 10:15)&(Acts 11:9)
4)…the blood of his son Jesus Christ
5)…we are cleansed by the washing of the water of the word of God (Eph 5:26)
6)…the blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sin…(1John 1:7)
7)…Jesus saw a man which was blind from birth and his disciples ask him, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, “neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents”….(John9:3)
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The Law:
1) The Law and the Prophets were until John, since then the Kingdom (Luke 16:16)
2)…The prophets and the law were until John…(Matt. 11:13)
3)…All things written in the Law, the prophets, and the Psalms were fulfilled in Christ (Luke 24:44)
4)…the law won’t pass until all is fulfilled (Matt. 5:18)
5)…time is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is here….(Mark 1:15)
6)…change thinking, the Kingdom of God is at hand…(Matt. 3:2)
7)…
Judgment:
1) God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: he that believeth not is condemned already…(John3:17&18)
There is no judgement/condemnation for those believers in Christ!
Eph.2:8…by grace ye are saved through faith and that not of yourselves(your own effort or by law) it is the gift of God…
John4:24.…God imparts spirit, his very NATURE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE!
Psalms40:6…burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require….!
Thoughts:
1) Since Jesus’ words are spirit & life (John 6:63) then a person with an “unclean spirit” would be a person that believes they are dirty or unclean. Actually they would believe thoughts/doctrines/spirits of death/unseemliness/impurity/unclean/full of sin!
2)…“I am the door: by me if any man enter in he shall be saved, and go in and out, and find pasture.”(John10:9)…Notice that one had to… enter in shall be saved…not get saved to enter in!

If you care to know the truth…study these scriptures!! TK

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Kerwin: First let me apologize for somehow, accidentally using a quote from Pierre in my post to you. I believe you forgive me, so I thank you!

Lets look at your post Kerwin:…Your first quote was written by Pierre and not me though I am convinced the fruits of the righteous spirit are to show who is approved of God…..[FOR ME, FRUIT IS THE NATURAL BYPRODUCT OF A TREE, CARRYING THAT FRUIT'S LIFE FORCE, WITHIN THE TREE. THE NATURE OF THE TREE YOU MIGHT SAY. THE BIBLE REFERS TO TWO DIFFERENT FRUITS. THE FRUITS OF ONES LABORS(WORKS) OR IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ITS THE FRUIT OF ONES LIPS/WORDS/SPIRIT WITHIN. THE SPIRIT OF GOD PRODUCES THE FRUIT OF THE LIPS IF THEY ARE PEACE, LOVE, JOY, KINDNESS, MEEKNESS, GENTLENESS ETC.! THE WORKS OF LOVE AND KINDNESS ARE THE LIFE GIVING WORKS OF THE POWER OF GOD.]

Jesus called mankind evil when he spoke of a father giving gifts to his son…..[DID HE MEAN EVERYONE?….ALL MANKIND?…THE PROPHETS….THE PATRIARCHS….DAVID…HIMSELF?….NO…. HE REFEREED TO THOSE JEWS AND ALL WHO BELIEVED THEIR SIN FILLED DOCTRINES OR WORKS AND DEEDS AND RITUALS, AND FEASTS, AND WASHINGS MANY MAN MADE EFFORTS TO SUPPOSEDLY APPEASE GOD.]…. Who are we to disagree with him…..BECAUSE LATER HE DIED TO PURIFY US AND GIVE US PURIFIED LIFE IN GOD IF WE BELIEVE!!

….God did not promise to remove the sinful nature of mankind…..[MAN IS CREATED OF GOD….MAN HAS HUMAN NATURE… GOD MAKES ALL THINGS GOOD…MAN IS NOT EVIL.. IF HE BELIEVES THE WORDS OF GOD FROM JESUS. ALL CAME FROM GOD/GOOD. BELIEVING IN EVIL IS SIN! JESUS TOOK AWAY SIN FOREVER….ANYONE NOW WHO SAYS THERE IS STILL SIN, BELIEVES IN SIN/EVIL AND IS WHAT HE BELIEVES UNTIL HE BELIEVES THE TRUTH……. He did promise that those that 'panted'(WE ARE HIS SONS, NOT DOGS) for his righteousness would achieve it. {God's righteousness has works of sin}…..[THERE IS NO SIN IN GOD AT ALL. THERE IS NO DARKNESS IN GOD.]….IS THAT WHAT THEY DO NOW IN THE SO CALLED CHURCHES..GO TO THE ''ALTER'' AND PANT LIKE A DOG TO BE FORGIVIN?…..PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT LAST LINE TO ME!

You seem not to understand the difference between the person and God doing his works through the person. The man has fallen short of the glory of God but God whom does his works using the man's flesh has not. The man is unworthy and God is not. That is to demonstrate God's mercy……SO YOU THINK GOD IS WORKING HIS PURE LOVE THROUGH SINFUL ,UNWORTHY, UNCLEAN, UNRIGHTEOUS, UNMERCIFUL, MEN??…..A MAN WILL EXPRESS THAT WHICH IS IN HIS HEART….IF GOD IS IN HIS HEART HE WILL EXPRESS GODLY THINGS, WORDS AND DEEDS…..IF EVIL BELIEFS ALONG WITH SIN, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, HURT,PAIN, SUFFERING ARE IN THE HEART OF A MAN….HE WILL EXPRESS THAT WHICH IS IN HIS HEART….!!

BUT NEVER EVER CAN AN EVIL BELIEVING HEART TRULY EXPRESS GOOD BUT ONLY “EVIL”….UNLESS….ONE GRADES HIS ACTIONS/WORKS/DEEDS! ACTORS MAKE ACTIONS FOR SHOW….APART FROM THE TRUTH OF THEIR HEARTS….JUST SHOW. THIS IS RELIGION, MAN MAKING A SHOW FOR GOD AND SAYING…SEE HOW GOOD I AM INSIDE….FROM THE SHOW I PUT ON OUTSIDE!

What is the difference between godly sorrow for sinning and worldly sorrow for sinning?…..I DON'T FIND “SORROW” AS ONE OF THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD? THAT WOULD BE LIKE….LOVE/SORROW….PEACE/SORROW….HAPPINESS/SORROW..ETC.!

THERE IS NO “SIN” AGAINST GOD FOR ME. JESUS TOOK AWAY MY SIN(ERRANT THINKING). HE WASHED ME AND CLEANSED ME WITH THE WATER OF THE WORD OF GOD. HE DID IT FOR ALL MANKIND. IT IS DONE, BUT TO WALK IN IT ONE MUST ACCEPT AND BELIEVE. TK

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tk Quote FAITH…is my key word to experience God…..and sinless perfection unto God…is my key concept!   what is your faith???

Pierre:

MY FAITH IS IN GODS ABILITY TO MAKE ME PERFECT UNTO HIM BY HIS WORDS, THROUGH JESUS ! MY FAITH IS THAT GOD IS RE-CREATING ME BY HIS WORDS THROUGH JESUS. GOD IS SPIRIT AND HIS WORDS ARE SPIRIT OF LIFE. NO DEATH IN GOD, LIFE ONLY.

WHEN I HEAR SCRIPTURES OF LIFE…I HEAR GOD! WHEN I SEE SCRIPTURES MISTRANSLATED, OR MISUNDERSTOOD THAT PRODUCE DEATH OR EVIL THINKING….I KNOW IT IS NOT THE GOD OF LIFE!

THE GOD OF JESUS, MOST HIGH IS THE ONLY GOD, I SHALL PLACE IN MY MIND NO OTHER GOD BEFORE HIM! ONE GOD ONLY!

BLESS YOU, TK

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Pierre: Jesus him self gave me the time line clues that showed the end of the old religious phase and the start of the New Way of truth. At Luke 16:16 one of three scriptures that speaks of the end of one and the beginning of the other……the law and the prophets were until John(the baptist)…since then…or after that the Kingdom of God is preached…! Jesus said that he came to preach the Kingdom of God. When you hear the spiritual words they may create a physical picture within, but in the New Covenant all is spirit from God. It is a spiritual kingdom of God ''ruling'' his words of truth from or through mankind. Now man was to be born-again of the spirit pictures created within the mind/heart.

If Jesus is “lord” of our learning of God then it would only make sense to take him at his word. Jesus also said,…you search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me, that ye might have life. John 5:39

Even the book of the revelation of John was an overview or unveiling of the life of Jesus and the final coming of the Kingdom of God to mankind. Seal up these words of this prophecy. (all prophecy ended at John)…..

For me all Gods new plan for man was fulfilled spiritually when Jesus was here and rose from the grave. It was fulfilled physically when the brick and mortar temple was torn down in approx. 70ad!

I believe my mind has been more open to truth since I left the brick and mortar church buildings, and their physically oriented self made religion of works and deeds. TK

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Quote (ftk @ Feb. 04 2012,03:24) Pierre: Quote You see Tim our forgiveness is conditional to our true repentance and sincere believe that God can save us through Christ sacrifice,THE WORKS OR DEED WE DO ARE TO SHOW THAT OUR REPENTANCE IS REAL AND TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVE US ,IT IS ONLY THE DEMONSTRATION OF OUR TRUE AND DEEP CHANGE THAT AS OCCUR IN OUR HEART,AND SO THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS SON , ……FORGIVENESS IS CONDITIONAL…ONLY…TO “WHOSOEVER WILL ACCEPT AND BELIEVE THE TRUTH”….!!! LET THERE BE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT…! TRUE REPENTANCE IS TURNING AROUND FROM THE…''OLD WAY'', OLD COVENANT, OLD LAW, OLD SIN AND DARKNESS WHICH WAS THE WORKS AND EFFORTS AND DEES OF MAN TO ATTEMPT TO PLEASE GOD…FAITH PLEASES GOD!! IT IS TRUE THAT WORKS AND DEEDS OF KINDNESS AND LOVE ARE A REFLECTION OF THE PURIFICATION THAT HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE WITHIN THE PERSON…..THE PURIFICATION IS BY FAITH IN GOD ALONE. NO EFFORTS OF MAN CAN CHANGE WHAT JESUS HAS DONE. NOT WITH SO CALLED…GOOD WORK….NOR BY SO CALLED BAD WORKS!….SINLESS PURIFICATION IS FROM GOD ALONE THROUGH JESUS!!….TK Tk I see that you say the same thing but it is phrased in your interpretation It look like your fath hangs on a few key words,and one concept of idea, It seems that you have the need to reinforce constant believe that you have, Pierre

Pierre: No, sadly I do say much the same thing in different way because it is all the same salvation package from Jesus believed by man or rejected and lost.

I can honestly say without equivocation…You, Pierre(as also to all humanity)… are whatever God says you are through the words/spirit of Jesus. God has recreated mankind through Jesus but they will only experience whatever part they believe to be true. So, as a man believeth in his heart…so he is!

FAITH…is my key word to experience God…..and sinless perfection unto God…is my key concept! I will rest now. TK

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Kerwin:

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You see Tim our forgiveness is conditional to our true repentance and sincere believe that God can save us through Christ sacrifice,THE WORKS OR DEED WE DO ARE TO SHOW THAT OUR REPENTANCE IS REAL AND TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVE US ,IT IS ONLY THE DEMONSTRATION OF OUR TRUE AND DEEP CHANGE THAT AS OCCUR IN OUR HEART,AND SO THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS SON ,

Clearly our total salvation in Christ Jesus is only conditional on one thing from us….”IF WE BELIEVE WHAT GOD HAS DONE FOR US THROUGH JESUS”…. If you believe what Jesus has done/finished/accomplished totally then you believe what you ''ALREADY ARE''! Not what you can be someday….not ''be all 'you' can be'' unto God……You already are what Gods spirit words have created mankind to be through Jesus.

Jesus made us what we are. There can be no boasting of…look what we have “done”.. or false humility of I'm just a nobody old sinner, trudging through life! We had nothing to do with our own cleansing. We were made perfect in him. We are only worthy unto God through the works of Jesus. You can't get to God any other way!!…Jesus took away our sin…there is no longer sin in mankind….if he believes that…he then is free from sin…if he does not accept that truth from Jesus then he remains in sin and rejects the salvation Jesus gave.

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Any human being that has fallen short of the glory of God is unworthy and to admit it is being honest. God is merciful to the unworthy and gives gifts to those that love him. It is God, and not the unworthy person, whom determines whether or not to give the gift of the saintly spirit to that person.

When Jesus says you are made perfect….if you say I have fallen short and are unworthy….then you have called Jesus a liar! How could you possibly call contradiction to the words of Jesus….”being honest” ? False religious humility is a lie from darkness. Those that truly love God, accept his words from Jesus, within themselves to live and be forever united. What ever those words say is the truth of your life. There are two groups of words available to choose from in the Bible. As in the beginning….good and good and evil! He who eats from the “good” tree of life will live….he who accepts both good and evil….will die!

I can't make you or anyone else believe the good news. That's up to you! Perfection is what you are, now, in Jesus…not what you can become through works and deeds. TK

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Pierre:

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You see Tim our forgiveness is conditional to our true repentance and sincere believe that God can save us through Christ sacrifice,THE WORKS OR DEED WE DO ARE TO SHOW THAT OUR REPENTANCE IS REAL AND TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVE US ,IT IS ONLY THE DEMONSTRATION OF OUR TRUE AND DEEP CHANGE THAT AS OCCUR IN OUR HEART,AND SO THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS SON ,

……FORGIVENESS IS CONDITIONAL…ONLY…TO “WHOSOEVER WILL ACCEPT AND BELIEVE THE TRUTH”….!!! LET THERE BE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT…! TRUE REPENTANCE IS TURNING AROUND FROM THE…''OLD WAY'', OLD COVENANT, OLD LAW, OLD SIN AND DARKNESS WHICH WAS THE WORKS AND EFFORTS AND DEES OF MAN TO ATTEMPT TO PLEASE GOD…FAITH PLEASES GOD!!

IT IS TRUE THAT WORKS AND DEEDS OF KINDNESS AND LOVE ARE A REFLECTION OF THE PURIFICATION THAT HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE WITHIN THE PERSON…..THE PURIFICATION IS BY FAITH IN GOD ALONE. NO EFFORTS OF MAN CAN CHANGE WHAT JESUS HAS DONE. NOT WITH SO CALLED…GOOD WORK….NOR BY SO CALLED BAD WORKS!….SINLESS PURIFICATION IS FROM GOD ALONE THROUGH JESUS!!….TK

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J42: Lets look at your post!

But Jesus said this;
[bJJohn 15:18[/b] If ''the world'' hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you……[ YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHO ''THE WORLD'' THAT JESUS IS SPEAKING OF, IS….HE HAD MANY FOLLOWERS WHO LOVED HIM MUCH…..SO, WHO IS,…''THE WORLD''…THAT HATED HIM?…LOOK AT JOHN 15:25….THAT.. THE WORD MIGHT BE FULFILLED THAT IS WRITTEN IN….”THEIR LAW”….!! IT WAS THE SAME RELIGIOUS JEWS WHO HAD JESUS KILLED…THEY WERE THE “WORLD” THAT HATED JESUS….]

John 15:19 If ye were [of the world], [the world would love his own]:…..[JUST LIKE THE CHURCHES TODAY…AGREE WITH THEM AND THEY LOVE YOU….DISAGREE AND THEY WILL RUN YOU OUT….!] but because ye are not of [the world]…[ RELIGIOUS JEWS], but I have chosen you [out of this..''RELIGIOUS world''.. that has the law], therefore ''the world'' hateth you….[THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM THEMSELVES EXCEPT UNDER ''THEIR LAW'' THEY SAID (to Pilot) THEY COULDN'T CONDEMN TO DEATH]…! THAT WAS THE “EVIL” WORLD of sin and darkness…THE “ANTI-CHRIST RELIGIOUS WORLD'' THAT ENDED WITH THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS. JESUS BEGAN A WHOLE NEW WAY OF WALKING WITH GOD INDIVIDUALLY BY ''FAITH'' THROUGH JESUS…]!

There will come a time, when the Christians will stand up for Christ, in public, and will be made a mockery. They will refuse the Mark of the Beast. They will most certainly stand out then and not yoke with the world….THAT'S HORSE POOP!…WHERE IN WALMART…WHO IS GONNA SEE SOMEONE WITH SOME MARK OF SOME MAN MADE BEAST!! IF YOU CAN'T BUY OR SELL WITHOUT A MARK….YOU BETTER GET A MARK…!! ARE YOU JUST GOING TO STARVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY…? IT TAKES MONEY TO BUY OR SELL NOW, WHY DON'T YOU REFUSE TO USE THAT…IN GERMANY IT IS CALLED A ''MARK'' I THINK….! MAYBE GERMANY IS THE BEAST??

Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death….[ALL IN YOUR LITTLE MADE UP EVIL DREAM LAND!][WE MUST BE BORN OF SPIRIT]

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;….[YOU KNOW I HAVEN'T SEEN A GOOD SCOURGING IN THE SYNAGOGUE FOR QUITE SOME TIME…MORE HORSE POOP!!]

Matthew 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles….[WE ARE FRESH OUT OF KINGS IN AMERICA….]

Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.[IF YOU CAN HEAR]

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh 'in you'….[IF IN FACT ONE CAN HEAR THE TRUE VOICE OF GOD WITHIN….SO I GUESS THE RULING WORDS/SPIRIT OF GOD(KINGDOM) IS WITHIN EACH PERSON AFTER ALL…!]

Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child, and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end…[OF THAT FORMER RELIGIOUS DARKNESS AND SIN FILLED MESS INCLUDING THE TEMPLE…. shall be saved….] THE END OF THE OLD COVENANT/TEMPLE BUILDING/RELIGIOUS WORLD…..THAT WAS THE END OF THE WORLD…THE END OF TIME….TIME CEASED WHEN THE ETERNAL WORD FROM JESUS WAS PREACHED….THE KINGDOM CAME INTO MAN TO WALK AND TALK INDIVIDUALLY WITH GOD FOREVER….!

Matthew 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. If [they…THE JEWS/RELIGIOUS ONES…] have called the master of the[THEIR] house beelzebub,{JUST LIKE TODAY MANY CALL SATAN THE GOD OF THIS WORLD} how much more shall they call them of [his household?]

ITS OBVIOUS TO ME YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY KNOW UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU ARE READING. I TAKE IT YOU ARE BUCKLING DOWN TO GET READY….TO WAR WITH YOUR HUMAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS? MOST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE THINK THE SAME. OUR TRUE WAR IS AGAINST IGNORANCE, STUPIDITY OF GODS TRUTH, THEREBY SPOUTING EVIL, DESTRUCTIVE DOCTRINES, PREDICTING AND PREPARING FOR MASS KILLING, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ON GODS CHILDREN.!!!! DOES THAT SOUND LIKE GOSPEL TO YOU? tk

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wakeup:

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD…….[Faith is for “God” works of power and healing….faith is not needed for a man to go do something within his power to do…that takes no faith…..God faith does God/work..healing, restoring life, administering health to a sick world…yes FAITH in God lays dormant until a man uses it to help another spiritually]

WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAMB[…I follow Jesus, he is the shepherd who leads the flock….] WHERE SO EVER HE GOES,AND THAT MEANS WORKS;….[where in the world did you come up with that one!]…….[Jesus told me to rest…enter into his rest, he has done the works for us, now enter his rest…] RESISTING ALL EVIL,….[are you aware, in this world, that 'resistance' causes the opposite of intention…? to resist what you call ''evil'' one must pay attention to the evil which energizes the evil into your experience….no, love your enemies and do good to those who mistreat you…] IS HARD WORK. TO STAY AWAY FROM BABYLON, IS HARD WORK
TO BE LAUGHED AT, IS HARD WORK.TO BE REJECTED, IS HARD WORK.TO GIVE YOUR RIGHT CHEECK, IS HARD WORK.TO CAST OUT EVIL THINKING, IS HARD WORK…..[when I exercise love to others with kind words that uplift and feel good and give them their freedom to do and be that which they choose….I have never been laughed at or made fun of in my life…..back in my religious days when I continually told others what's right or wrong or what they should do or not do…that's when I was laughed at and scorned….!] TK

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Quote (ftk @ Feb. 01 2012,05:28) THERE IS NO FURTHER JUDGMENT FOR THOSE WHO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST!!  IMO, TK Okay Tim, Your IMO doesn't align with the words of Paul that I quoted for you, but I don't want to fight about it.   take care brother, mike

Mike: Bless you!

Jesus(the words of God) has made you who and what you are in heart/mind.

What we think of ourselves is our own personal judgment of self! Its mostly based on our performance here on earth. Our earthly performance does not affect our relations with God.

What God thinks of you is what Jesus came to fulfill.Jesus did the works and efforts for us(so we don't have to do them).

Through Jesus, God himself, sent his word that has and will continue to recreate you as whole, pure, forgiven, cleansed, worthy, sinless, righteous,
justified, purified, and absolutely perfect. No works from man required, for or against! Just accept the truth and believe. This is the washing, the true Baptism of God, the truth washing away any dirt, or unclean thinking or sin in the mind. Swept clean for God and Jesus to dwell in.

I just wanted to say something good to you…please rebut what you disagree with so we can learn together. We will not fight!

Much love to you and yours…TK

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2012,04:08) Quote (ftk @ Feb. 01 2012,03:27) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2012,00:45)   Is YOUR ‘sinning package’ now gone?   No, my salvation package is not gone… Hi Tim, I asked you:   …Is YOUR ‘SINNING PACKAGE’ now gone?   …NOT, if your salvation package was gone???                        …please answer the question that I actually asked; OK? Perhaps if you read the bible in this manor, it would explain WHY you are not getting the message right. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Tim?

Ed: I honestly don't know what a “sinning package” is. If I wrote that it was probably in my head but now I don't remember what that would be.

For me right now I say I have no sin, Jesus took away “all” my sin and his words from God have cleansed me from “all” UN-righteousness. Yet I am still washing out the dirty doctrines of religion and wrong errant messages they purport to mankind. TK

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Kerwin: Blessings to you this day!

Please allow me to point out a couple of things you wrote. We are not far apart.

You wrote…….Sin is the motivation of ones actions and thoughts in that it falls short of loving as God loves…..I AGREE THAT SIN IS A MOTIVATOR OF ACTION BUT SIN IS ''ERRANT THINKING'' FROM THE START. THINKING ONE IS EVIL, UNCLEAN, UNWORTHY ETC., THAT CAUSES THE UNCLEAN ACTIONS. FROM A CLEAN MIND/HEART, THAT CAN ONLY BE CLEAN AND PURIFIED BY GOD, COMES PURE LOVE ACTIONS……IF ONE BELIEVES HE HAS SIN, OR FALLS SHORT OR IS DIRTY OR UNRIGHTEOUS ETC., FROM THAT “SIN” THINKING COMES THE MOTIVATION UNTO EVIL….!

That motivation may or may not give birth to evil thoughts or actions. That is why Jesus taught by their fruit you will know them. A tree that is created to be righteous as God is does not bear bad fruit….THIS IS SO TRUE…BUT…. WE HAVE BEEN “NOW” CREATED PERFECT THROUGH 'FAITH' IN CHRIST JESUS!!! NOW, SINCE JESUS,.. WE ARE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD BY “FAITH” IN JESUS!….NOT BY ANYTHING WE DO OR HAVE DONE…..”FAITH” IN WHAT HE DID FOR US….AND GAVE TO US AS A GIFT….THIS IS THE PURIFICATION OF OUR MINDS/HEARTS UNTO GOD!!

If you believe everything Jesus teaches then you are clean because God does as he promises. He promised a sinlesness like his to those that persevering(AGAINST LIES, THAT THIS IS NOT TRUE, FROM NON-BELIEVERS) in believing. It is not a sinlesness of just the mind but a sinlessness of the whole person….AND APART FROM ANY WORKS OR DEEDS MAN CAN DO OR NOT DO!!

Who is any man to judge himself?…MAN IS NOTHING IN AND OF HIMSELF…..BUT JESUS MADE US WHAT WE ARE UNTO GOD, IF WE ACCEPT AND BELIEVE……THE WORD OF GOD/JESUS HAS COME AND SET THE CAPTIVES FREE….FREE FROM SIN THINKING….FREE FROM UNWORTHY, UNCLEAN, UNRIGHTEOUS THINKING…..FREE FROM “SELF CONDEMNATION” THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS SHORT OF THE GOAL….WE ARE JUDGED PERFECT, BY FAITH IN THE WORD OF GOD, JESUS!! It is God who judges(US AS PURIFIED BY HIM)… who to purify.

No one can be sinless without God;….TRUE BUT GOD GAVE IT TO US!!….GOD MADE US WHAT WE ARE THROUGH JESUS AND APART FROM US DOING OR NOT DOING…..ANYTHING PHYSICAL….JUST ACCEPT AND BELIEVE..! so how can they be good enough. God must live in a person and so do his actions through him in order for him to bear the fruits of sinlessness….AND GOD CAN'T DWELL IN SIN…SO HE CLEANSED US AND PURIFIED US WITH TRUTH….ONLY TO BELIEVE AND BECOME!

WHAT A WONDERFUL WORK UNTO GOD, JESUS DID FOR MANKIND, THAT WE CAN ALL BE ONE IN THE TRUTH! THE TRUTH TOOK AWAY SIN FOREVER. Bless you, TK

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Quote (ftk @ Feb. 02 2012,04:20) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2012,04:39) tk Quote Kerwin:  Bless you! It seems that I am the only one on this site that believes “faith” is the only way to unite with God! If only faith unites us with God….then works, bad or good, have nothing to do with faith in Jesus! guess why you are the only one because it is not scriptural, because faith alone does not saves you,READ THE SCRIPTURES INSTEAD OF MAKING YOUR OPINIONS THE SCRIPTURES;Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead,—Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. SO FAITH ALONE DOES NOT SAVE Pierre Pierre:  FAITH IN WHAT GOD HAS DONE THROUGH JESUS IS THE ONLY SALVATION THERE IS FOR MANKIND. YOU BELIEVE YOUR CONNECTION WITH GOD IS MADE PERFECT THROUGH CHRIST, JESUS OR YOU ARE NOT CONNECTED! NO FAITH…NO PURIFICATION UNTO GOD….NO CONNECTION WITH GOD.   ITS YOUR CHOICE!  TK tk SO JAMES HIS A LIAR ? Pierre

Pierre: NO, JAMES IS NOT A LIAR!….. YOU MISUNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES!

THERE ARE WORKS AND DEEDS BOTH GOOD OR BAD OR IN-BETWEEN THAT A MAN CAN DO, FROM HIMSELF, BY HIS OWN EFFORTS, WHEN HE CHOOSES, ON THIS EARTH. THESE ARE THE WORKS OF MAN.

MAKE NO MISTAKE: THERE ARE WORKS OF GOD WHICH ARE THROUGH A MAN,….. (LIKE JESUS)….WHERE HE IS A CONDUIT OF TRANSMISSION OF THE SPIRIT/POWER OF GOD FROM ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER.

THIS IS WHAT JAMES IS REFERRING TO. WORKS OF FAITH….A MAN LAYS ASIDE HIS OWN POWER AND BY FAITH AND TRUST IN GOD AND LOVE FOR THE RECIPIENT HE ADMINISTERS GOD TO ANOTHER FOR HEALING AND REGENERATION! THATS TRUE FAITH! TK

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Mike:

Do you believe the scripture that says,….there is therefore now…no condemnation…for those in Christ Jesus? All judgment either justifies or condemns. If there is no “condemnation” in Christ then we who are in Christ, by faith, are judged as clean and perfect and don't forget, that doesn't mean clean and perfect by any form of works or deeds, that is cleansed and righteous by FAITH alone in Jesus.

Jesus is the word of God that does the judging. The same word that judges you as perfect, clean, spotless and perfect unto God! The word is faith! To work the works of God one must believe! Perfection is by believing in the works of Jesus. He did the works for perfection and gave them to us….if we believe. THERE IS NO FURTHER JUDGMENT FOR THOSE WHO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST!! IMO, TK

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Kerwin: Bless you and thank you for your post of truth.

May I respond to your post:

Actually scripture declares [wages of sin] are death and scripture cannot be broken….WE AGREE THAT THE PAYMENT OF SIN IS DEATH BUT SIN IS NOT…SOMETHING YOU DO OR DON'T DO!….SIN IS,”WRONG THINKING”….

IF GOD HAS SAID THROUGH JESUS AT JOHN 15:3..YOU ARE CLEAN BY THE WORDS I HAVE GIVEN YOU….THIS GIVES YOU ONE OF TWO CHOICES. I BELIEVE & ACCEPT THAT TRUTH(the scriptures cannot be broken as you have said), AND THEREBY I AM IN PERFECT UNION WITH ALMIGHTY GOD…….OR…….

I DO NOT ACCEPT THAT PURIFICATION UNTIL I DO OR DON'T DO CERTAIN WORKS OR DEEDS OF KINDNESS AND SHOW WHAT A NICE PERSON I CAN BE…..THEN BY MY PERFORMANCE I WILL CONSIDER MYSELF GOOD ENOUGH TO ACCEPT YOUR CLEANLINESS. THAT BELIEF RECEIVES THE PAYMENT OF SICKNESS, PAIN, SUFFERING, DISEASE & DEATH!!

A human being that does not have faith in Jesus sins and(in his mind) falls short of the glory of God because they(believe they are) are the old self that is compelled to sin. The wages of such thinking is death……THE PAYMENT FOR ERRANT THINKING OF THE MIND, REJECTING TOTAL PURIFICATION UNTO GOD BY FAITH ALONE…IS DEATH…SICKNESS, DISEASE ALL FORMS!

A human being that…[believes]… becomes the new man who is like God in true righteousness and holiness. For that reason they mature until that they do not sin though tempted as it common to man…..BELIEVING GODS “GIFT” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS LEAVES NO REQUIREMENT OF FURTHER ACTION! RELIGION SAYS THAT IT DOES….BUT GOD DOES NOT….. SIN IS NOT A WORK IN GODS EYES…SIN IS IN YOUR MIND,THOUGHTS,BELIEFS…NOT WHAT YOU DO OR DON'T DO….YOU ARE SAVED FROM WRONG THINKING NOT WRONG OR RIGHT DOING!! HENCE THE ''TRUTH'' CAME TO CURE THE ''SIN/ERROR''!

Faith alone saves as God works through it [to do his works of righteousness]….THIS IS NOT TRUTH…… If one does not manifest those [works of God] there faith is useless…..IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE POWER WORKS OF THE SPIRIT UNTO MANKIND YOU ARE CORRECT….THE DISCIPLES ASK JESUS WHAT SHALL WE DO TO WORK THE WORKS OF GOD AND JESUS SAID,……THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD….THAT YOU BELIEVE..!

Do not be fooled a righteousness like God's[THERE IS ONLY ONE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD] is one that does not sin even as Paul teaches of the righteousness that comes by faith…..THE RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PURIFICATION OF GOD GIVEN THROUGH JESUS IS ABSOLUTE CLEANLINESS OF THE SOUL LEAVING NO SPOT OR BLEMISH! THE LIFE OF JESUS GAVE US TOTAL, PERFECT, PURIFIED, RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD UNTO GOD…..ACCEPTED BY FAITH ALONE……WE CANNOT DO A THING FOR IT….NOR…CAN WE DO A THING TO LOOSE IT….IT IS A COMPLETED WORK OF GOD/JESUS!! THE LOVE CREATED FROM THIS TRUTH IS ALMOST OVERWHELMING!! TK

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tk Quote Kerwin:  Bless you! It seems that I am the only one on this site that believes “faith” is the only way to unite with God! If only faith unites us with God….then works, bad or good, have nothing to do with faith in Jesus! guess why you are the only one because it is not scriptural, because faith alone does not saves you,READ THE SCRIPTURES INSTEAD OF MAKING YOUR OPINIONS THE SCRIPTURES;Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead,—Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. SO FAITH ALONE DOES NOT SAVE Pierre

Pierre: FAITH IN WHAT GOD HAS DONE THROUGH JESUS IS THE ONLY SALVATION THERE IS FOR MANKIND.

YOU BELIEVE YOUR CONNECTION WITH GOD IS MADE PERFECT THROUGH CHRIST, JESUS OR YOU ARE NOT CONNECTED!

NO FAITH…NO PURIFICATION UNTO GOD….NO CONNECTION WITH GOD.

ITS YOUR CHOICE! TK

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