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  • #204478
    dspesh
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    Thank you… :)

    #204346
    dspesh
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    2 Timothy 2:16
    But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

    #204321
    dspesh
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    1st point

    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    John 1:14
    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us …
    John 10:30
    I and my Father are one.
    John 14:9
    … he that hath seen me hath seen the Father…
    Isaiah 7:14
    …Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
    •Immanuel means “God is with us

    **Jesus and God are One… There is only One God…and there are 5 passages above that say what the mean, and mean what they say.

    2nd point

    Acts 19
    1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
    2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
    3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
    4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
    5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

    ** The above passage shows those who had been baptized by John, being baptized again in the Name of the Lord Jesus.

    3rd point

    **Baptism is for the remission  of sins.Acts 2:38 … Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    **So, do you think Jesus had to be baptized? Did Jesus sin?

    4th Point

    **In the time of the Law (the Ten Commandments) only the Jews had salvation.
    **In the time period Grace (believe and be born again) we can all have salvation.

    **Please do not think that I am saying that the law is not important. It is very important and does apply, but now we can all repent and be baptized. Because of the blood of Jesus, that is why we do not need animal sacrifices anymore.

    Have a nice day!  :)

    #204178
    dspesh
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    John 8:24
    I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    Jesus is talking about him being the promised Messiah not God Almighty. –
    ** the promised Messiah “is” the God Almighty — 1 Timothy 3:16
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    Luke 1:32-34 (New King James Version)
    32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
    **The LORD made the seed of Abraham (David and Jacob) his chosen people in the Old Testament, covered by the time period of the LAW. What he is saying here is that Jesus would save all people who believe and are born again; changing the time period from LAW to GRACE.
    **Genesis 28:13 (King James Version)And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
    Notice that Jesus (a Man) is receiving the throne and Kingdom of a Man.
    **Not the kingdom of a Man…. The Kingdom of Heaven…Matthew 16:18-19 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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    John 3:3
    Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    John 3:8 (English Standard Version)
    8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
    ** You prove no point against mine here. John 3:3 states you must be born again, John 3:8 does not rebuttal that at all.

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    Acts 2:37-41 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?  38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. …(there it is…the born again that Jesus spoke of)
    Death – Burial – Resurrection  
    Repent – Baptized – Holy Ghost
    John also baptized for the remission of sins and those who were baptized by John were not told they needed to be baptized again or that there baptism didn't count
    **Their baptism did not count, because it was not in the name of Jesus, and Jesus had not been buried and resurrected yet, when they had been baptized.  Acts 4:12
    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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    Without Jesus we cannot enter the Kingdom of God…
    Matthew 21:32 (New King James Version)
    32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him; but tax collectors and harlots believed him; and when you saw it, you did not afterward relent and believe him.

    Matthew 21:31 (New King James Version)
    31 Which of the two did the will of his father?”
    They said to Him, “The first.”
    Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you.
    **What Jesus was doing when he was talking about the story of the two sons… was stating how our own self righteousness can keep us from God and the ones who think they are going to enter the Kingdom of God the most, may not, because they are not humble before God. ** This does not discount my point that without Jesus we cannot enter the Kingdom of God AT ALL.
    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    Matthew 7:20-22
    ** Again this does not discount my point the without Jesus we cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

    For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”
    Matthew 12:49-50

    I hope you understand what I am teaching you here and yet it is not me but Christ teaching you, will you listen? – No, you have proved nothing.

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    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Jesus got baptized by John and he had to go through John if Jesus was God as you have been believing why would God need to be baptized? So before Jesus started his ministry John was the way and as he said:
    ** Jesus did not have to be baptized… he did it for an example for us.

    He must increase, but I must decrease.
    John 3:29-31
    ** Jesus was all of God that could fit into a human body, but he was also all man, this verse is speaking of the flesh, it does not disprove my point.

    John baptized for the remission of sins without any blood sacrifice being needed:
    ** Very good that is why John’s disciples had to be baptized again… see you answered you own question.

    John 3:25-27 (New King James Version)
    25 Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. 26 And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!”
    27 John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.

    There you have it John is calling Jesus a “man” approved of by God. If Jesus was God wouldn't John have said so?

    **speaking about Jesus as being a man is not incorrect. As I stated earlier, Jesus was a man, as well as God.

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    #204022
    dspesh
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    John 8:24
    I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    John 3:3
    Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Acts 2:37-41 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?  38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. …(there it is…the born again that Jesus spoke of)
    Death – Burial – Resurrection  
    Repent – Baptized – Holy Ghost

    Without Jesus we cannot enter the Kingdom of God…

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    #203414
    dspesh
    Participant

    You say: “Jesus is not God”
    But the Bible says:
    I and my Father are one. John 10:30
    You say: “God says he not a man” and I ask you where?
    You also said you quoted me, however you quoted me incorrectly Sir.
    The Bible says:
    No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:18
    You said:”there is but one God” Amen… No argument there!  
    You said: “The thing that my faith has shown me and, is tried and true is…”All things are possible with God” and nothing is possible without him”… and once again I ask you: Where are your passages?  Faith in and of itself is empty without the WORD of God, AKA, the BIBLE.
    You said: “….God has the ability to do anything and that includes reproducing himself…which he intends to do again…” WHAT?
    You need scriptures. God is not going to reproduce himself again. Jesus is coming again
    The Bible says: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thess 4:17
    You said: “God gave his law to ancient Israel and over the centuries up to and including the ministry of Jesus his law was changed”
    Your wrong sir. God’s Law never changed, however, in the New Testament we are not under the law, we are under Grace. But God is the same, Yesterday, Today, and Forever.  
    You say: After his resurrection he was God and seated at the right hand of the father
    The Bible says:
    Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

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