Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Messianic Jews generally recognize YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) as the name of the God of Israel, whom they worship as the one true God. They affirm His unity while also embracing the divinity of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit within a framework that parallels the Christian understanding of the Godhead.
Here’s how this plays out i…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Messianic Jews generally recognize YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) as the name of the God of Israel, whom they worship as the one true God. They affirm His unity while also embracing the divinity of Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit within a framework that parallels the Christian understanding of the Godhead.
Here’s how this plays out i…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Maybe this can help, the translation of the Hebrew into Aramaic before Jesus incarnation shows the substituting of the name YHWH or the pronoun for YHWH, or the word “God”, with “Memra”.
Key Substitutions of Memra for YHWH in Targum Onkelos
Genesis 28:21Hebrew: “YHWH shall be my God.”
Targum Onkelos: “The Memra of YHWH shall…Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Targum is what I meant. Read this to see that the Targum’s use of “memra” was the Son of God according to Justin Martyr.
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Chapter 61
(Roberts-Donaldson Translation – Full Text with Memra Highlighted)Below is the complete text of Chapter 61 from Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho (c. 150–160 C…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 4 weeks ago
At least you can’t say that the belief of two powers in Heaven held by enough people as a legitimate interpretive framework drawn from biblical texts as early as 560 BCE is a modern interpretation.
Have you heard of the Targums?
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 4 weeks ago
Regarding the “two powers in Heaven” it is easier for me to just copy and paste the information from GROK. It saves me quite a lot of time trying to explain. Here it is word for word:
Overview of “Two Powers in Heaven” in Early Judaism
The concept of “Two Powers in Heaven” (often rendered from the rabbinic Hebrew shnei rashuyot…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months ago
I’m happy to tell you about the Two Powers of God, actually referred to as the “Two Powers of Heaven”.
The concept of “two powers in heaven” (often described as binitarianism in modern scholarship) refers to an early Jewish theological framework that posited two divine figures or manifestations sharing authority in the heavenly…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months ago
We can take a slight pause on the Deut 10 :17 after you give me an analogy that is not comparing apples to oranges and shows that you are grasping the pattern. Make it follow this form: the name of a unity of persons = the title or category of each member in the unity.
Israel is the name of a unity, the House of Jacob. Israel=Jacob…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months ago
You wrote:
You’re reaching and your analogy doesn’t work; you’re using an example of two physical separate identities and trying to make them one.
I am showing you that the name of the unity called Israel is made up of a man that God named Israel (Jacob) + Jacob’s sons. The unity called Israel is echad…one in a united sense of be…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 1 week ago
All good questions!
You wrote:
If I were to say my shirt is black and white, does that mean I have two shirts? Absolutely not!!!! It means my shirt has two colors, black and white. This grammatical concept is the same being used in the Deut 10:17 passage. This passage simply states YHWH is G-d above all other gods and Lord above all…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 1 week ago
You ask:
where does it say the meaning of the Tetragrammaton is the “fullness of G-d” and that it represents each of G-d’s “presences”?
Deuteronomy 10:17
“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.
I understand t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 1 week ago
@Proclaimer @Berean @DesireTruth
When you understand that YHWH is a name for the fullness of God as well as the name of each presence of God, i.e. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, many things in the Bible become easier to understand. Give it a try, ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate this and open your heart and mind.
Be blessed, LU
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Unity…let’s start here:
You wrote:
what does Deut 6:4 say: “…The Lord our G-d is one Lord.” Did you catch “G-d” and “Lord” in the same sentence and HE is one?
That is not really what Deut 6:4 says. I know it has been translated that way but it is not correct, popular but not correct. I am going to insert a picture of Deut 6:4 of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Proclaimer posted an update 8 months, 3 weeks ago
@desiretruth I’m trying to find your post to me about God creating evil.
Proclaimer replied to the topic light vs darkness in the forum About Believers Place 11 months ago
I didn’t ask if Satan was the “god” of this world, I asked who the “ruler” of this world is.
The original Greek word used in 2 Corinthians 4:4 for “god” is θεός (theos).
In that verse, Paul uses theos in a generic sense to describe Satan as a (false) god who has power and influence over the present world system, blinding unbeliev…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The good news of Gods kingdom) Matt 24:14) in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 6 months ago
I don’t see the problem you are talking about.
The tares and the wheat and the dividing of them is a process.
It logically ends with the new earth as there is no longer any death.
This process takes thousands of years by the look of it.
A day to God is like a thousand years.
I think you are looking for things that I never said…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 7 months ago
Proclaimer wrote:
I finally realize the difference between christianity and what is written in the Tanakh concerning sin; christianity believes sin is a condition or an attribute/characteristic of humanity, consider themselves dirty rags, and thus need a “redeemer” to be forgiven; the Tanakh teaches sin is an action and you have a c…
Proclaimer replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 7 months ago
I finally realize the difference between christianity and what is written in the Tanakh concerning sin; christianity believes sin is a condition or an attribute/characteristic of humanity, consider themselves dirty rags, and thus need a “redeemer” to be forgiven; the Tanakh teaches sin is an action and you have a choice, obey G-d or not.
Sin is…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 1 year, 8 months ago
I feel like your questions are a waste of time.
Ask me one intelligent question and I’ll give you an answer
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Look no further than Isa 45:7, where G-d states it.
Who forms light and creates darkness, Who makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.