@Berean,

I already said who the one that “looks like the son of man” is. It IS a reference to the Messiah; it IS NOT a reference to the Jesus. Can you prove the Jesus is the true Messiah spoken of in the Tanakh; did the Jesus fulfill all that was said the Messiah was to do when he was here; if the Jesus missed a single requirement spoken abo…[Read more]

@Berean,

Not following your passage comparison of Exodus and Daniel; one speaks of man not being able to fully see G-d’s glory and the other is a vision/dream. You still haven’t explained how this would be about the Jesus.

What enabled him to survive before God?

It was a dream.

The bigger and only question one must ask, did the Jesus fulfill wha…[Read more]

@Lightenup

I believe that the translation of NASB1995 is the most accurate and is what I use. I also believe that Isa 9:6 should be translated as in the NASB1995:

So, because you “believe” the 1995 NAS translation is the more accurate translation, it is?!!? What about the the Hebrew; is it less accurate? I would reason the Hebrew would be the mos…[Read more]

@Berean,

I only show you that pre-incarnate Jesus is very present in OT time

What you’ve shown is your belief; you have given no proof, just religious doctrine and interpretation. Christianity teaches the Jesus is the “angel of the Lord” spoken of in the Tanakh; so who where all the other angels in heaven if they weren’t the Lord’s angels?…[Read more]

@Berean,

Nothing like continuing to evade and dodge the question; are you afraid to say the name of the Jesus? Are you ashamed to proclaim his name? Is it because you know none of the verses support that belief when placed in the context they are written? So sad!

Isaiah is speaking of a son that has already been born…Hezekiah and NOT the…[Read more]

@Berean,

Which is whom!!!!

Why are you being so evasive?

@Berean,

Who do you say the Isa 9:5-6 passage is about? Let’s finish this goal before we move it.

@Berean,

This is the passage you posted and have been using during our conversation.

5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, “the prince of peace.”

6To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end,…

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@Berean,

And for you, FOR how long should this last? A few years, a few centuries, endless???

You aren’t helping your cause as I have already answered your question thru examples. Again, this king spoken of in the previous verse canNOT be the Jesus (christian belief, including yours) as there is a starting point of “now”, in Isaiah’s time; the Jes…[Read more]

@Berean,

Why are you quoting from a Hebrew translation? This translation destroys how king Jimmy translates it.

Did you finally leave the shackles of E. G. White?

Who do you think it speaking of if it isn’t Hezekiah or the Jesus?

What does the “now and to eternity” mean; are you understanding it with modern language or with the understanding…[Read more]

@Berean,

I see you didn’t read anything and are still smashing the “Ellen White Believe Button”; please provide a single passage in the NT where the Jesus is called any of these titles “wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father” OR the “prince of peace.” Additionally 9:7 says that there will be no end of the government of…[Read more]

@Berean,

You may want to read the last sentence of what I wrote; I explicitly state the king I’m speaking of and give passages for one to read concerning this king, the son of king Ahaz.

Since you went to chabad.org to get the verses in question, did you read the commentary?

Can you answer why Ahaz would need to hear about a “messiah” (for…[Read more]

@Lightenup

You asked if I have a favorite translation and if I compare them to others. Don’t have a favorite translation; but, when reading the Tanakh I read from a Hebrew translation as that is the closest I can get to the original until I learn Hebrew.

Do I compare translations, the short answer, yes. My study aid ranges from software to o…[Read more]

@Lightenup

If the questions you ask AI are christian geared, don’t you think the response will also be christian geared? Try a compare and contrast between the Hebrew and christian understandings and what type of answer you will receive. Ask:

What is the difference in understanding of Isaiah 9:6 in the Tanakh and KJV?

ChatGPT’s sum…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Regarding Jesus’ qualifications for the eternal throne:
Jewish Messianic Criteria
Must be a descendant of David through Solomon (based on 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22).
Must be biologically descended from David, not just legally adopted.

Nothing disagreeable here; your next statements are where the problem lies. You know the Jesus is…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

AI is your source…like I said before, what could go wrong!!?? AI is programmed by man and can only do what it’s programmed to do; a search engine that can look at more information in a split second than you could in a month and give it back in a readable format. If the only information it finds is based in christianity, what do y…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Not speaking of “messianic” Jews – that’s “christianity” with Jewish customs thrown in; I’m speaking of Orthodox Judaism.

Yeshua (Jesus) as the divine Messiah and Son of God

The Jesus can’t be the true Messiah as he wasn’t born of the seed of David and Solomon (he did have a biological daddy), he was conceived of the spirit. Do you…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Memra means “word,” in the sense of “the creative or directive word or speech of God manifesting His power in the world of matter or mind”; a term used in the Targum as a substitute for “Lord” when an anthropomorphic expression is to be avoided.” Basically it is a substitution for YHWH and its derivatives.

Outside of the Targums, whe…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Once again we aren’t on the same page; you aren’t quoting from the Targum (click here for your Targums – Onkelos and Jonathan are the most used), you’re quoting Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho. It’s no wonder there’s mass amounts of confusion; you aren’t quoting scripture; you’re quoting the musings of man.

If this is what your…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

At least you now know that the belief of two powers in Heaven, held by enough people as a legitimate interpretive framework drawn from biblical texts as early as 560 BCE, is not a modern interpretation.

Have you heard of the Targums?

Did Moses, Joshua, the Judges, or the prophets teach G-d as a “bi-unity” or more importantly, did G-d…[Read more]