DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 months, 3 weeks ago
You: Read Matthew 1 carefully! He is specifically stating that he is giving us the genetic lineage of Jesus for the purpose to show how he is biologically a son of Abraham and David.
Me: Except we have King Jechoniah listed in this “lineage”; one who God said was to be remembered as childless. This would mean no descendant if his wou…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 months, 4 weeks ago
What does the Ezekiel passage of God raising a valley of dry bones have to do with being of the seed of David? Didn’t those “dry bones” once have a biological father? Clothing the bones in skin doesn’t make God their father, what kind of idiotic reasoning is this?!?!?
How is physical sex an act of Satan? God created it so mankind…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 months, 4 weeks ago
@Gene,
Do you see how you still haven’t answered my question concerning one verse, Isa 7:14; how is it a “prophecy” foretelling the birth of the Jesus as the writer of Matthew claims? Truthfully answer this one question and explain to me how the writer’s claim is truth and not a lie.
I see things in black and white; there is no gray. This one v…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 months, 4 weeks ago
@Gene,
I highly recommend you read Matthew 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. In Greek “Peter” means “petros” and could you imagine it means “rock” (Strong’s 4074). Yet, you understand this passage to mean “The power of God”, to “reveal “, in the mind…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months ago
@Gene,
Point made and confirmed; you have no idea why you believe what you believe and are simply following the flow of what others have told you.
You: If you reject Jesus as the true “messiah/ anointed one” of God, And reject Paul and the other apostles as true representatives of Jesus and God the Father, why are you even here?
Me: Why are you…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months ago
@Gene,
Variants I have no issue with; changing what is said, I have an issue with. Twisting and misusing what is said, I have an issue with. I have given examples of all this corruption in your NT, and you still accept the lies as truth and chastise me saying I shouldn’t “throw out the entire text” but should accept both the truths and lies withi…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months ago
@Gene,
Matt 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.”
Luke 1: “34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months ago
@Gene,
How can the Jesus be the “root and offspring of David” when he was born of the spirit? You do understand what the “seed” of someone is…right?? I have no issue in “denying” this claim as I understand the difference between being the “seed” of someone and “conceived of the spirit”…do you?
You: You have drawn your own conclusions , you h…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 1 week ago
You: the messiah came to fulfil many things spoken of and ritualised.
Me: I have asked over and over again if Jesus accomplished what the Tanakh said the Messiah was to do when he comes, and even provided references from the Tanakh asking if Jesus accomplished what was said. None have provided an answer.
You: Now we live in a time…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 1 week ago
@T3
Slightly confused with your response as it has nothing to do with our previous conversation; which addressed the heart of everything the NT is dependent upon, Jesus being the “messiah.” If the Jesus is the “messiah”, did he fulfill everything the Tanakh said the Messiah was to do? If the Jesus didn’t fulfill what the Tanakh said he was to do…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 1 week ago
Moses used blood to seal the covenant between God and the Israelite’s and nothing more; to keep asking the same question isn’t going to change my response. The plain words written say only that. It’s christianity that wants there to be more to help support its idolatry; I say idolatry, because anything that comes between you and God I…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 1 week ago
You: For me this blood symbolized the blood of Christ for the erasure of sins (ultimate goal)
Me: This is a fascinating response, your personal belief overrides the words written. Even though the sprinkling of the blood was to solidify a vow, a covenant between God and the Israelite’s and has nothing to do with atoning for anything, y…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 1 week ago
Let me point out, in nothing you wrote did you explain anything; you asked three questions and exclaimed “THE POINT IS THERE” as if by reading one verse I now have the full understanding of what you’re trying to convey. Has the intelligence of people really dropped this much? Do we not understand a conversation is a series of answe…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 1 week ago
You copy and pasted a bunch of verses, offered zero explanation or what they mean to you, AND most importantly, you asked no question. Explain what exactly am I suppose to respond to? Your pointy fingers!??! I have said in the past “pointy fingers” do NOT explain what is going on in your mind and I cannot interpret them to know what your…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic Sin debts in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 1 week ago
@Gene,
You keep running away from this question, where/when did God say the Messiah was to die for the “purpose of” and/or “because of” the sins of the world and to be this propitiation on behalf of mankind to appease HIS wrath against you? It really doesn’t matter if the Jesus took on the sins of the world or not and settled the debt of sin or…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic Sin debts in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@Proclainer,
Proclaimer, you’re off on a tangent, slide back over and explain what the purpose of Jesus’s death was; why did he have to die? Why did God send his human begotten son as a sacrifice “for” the sins of mankind, when HE is against human sacrifices?
DesireTruth replied to the topic Sin debts in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@Gene,
You: What Jesus did was to “demonstrate” to us all, what it takes to have a right relationship with God the Father.
Me: This still doesn’t answer the question, how does death create a right relationship with God? God never said to die for your sins to be in a “right relationship” with him, only to repent and turn from your them, AND to fo…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic Sin debts in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@Gene,
What then was the point of Jesus’ death? Why did Jesus say he had to die?
DesireTruth replied to the topic Sin debts in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@Gene,
If the Jesus died for the “purpose of” and “because of” the sins of the world, but didn’t “pay off” any sin debt, what was the point of his death? I thought the Jesus was the “unblemished sacrificial lamb” that “atoned for the sins of the world”; this “sin sacrifice” didn’t pay anything off? At least the bull did.
Also, explain how a p…[Read more]
DesireTruth replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 10 months, 2 weeks ago
@Danny,
Did God ever speak of heaven being a place you go when you die?
As I have been reading the Tanakh it would seem God is speaking to his creation of the now, how we are to live with each other, but more importantly, how we are to serve God. Of course there are prophecies that deal with future human events; but, what I haven’t found are p…[Read more]
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