@Proclaimer,

Continuing on:

Once as the lamb of God who was sacrificed for mankind’s sins. And returns as a reigning king to setup the Kingdom of God on earth.

What verse states the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind from the Tanakh? I believe I asked you this question once before and never received a response.

Read Exodus 32:30-35,…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Unfortunately the Jesus fails on being a member of the tribe of Judah; biologically he isn’t connected to the line of David because the spirit is the one who fathered him (Luke 1:26-35, Matt 1:18). It is of the seed of David the Messiah is to be born of (2 Sam 7:12-17, I Chron 11-14). Lineage is associated with the father and not t…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

in Luke 5.8, Peter says to Jesus, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man” which is simply an expression of awe and unworthiness. It has nothing to do with being cast away from God forever. When Jesus says it, he is also not always talking about the final judgement.

Not the verse I was referencing I was speaking on Matt 7:21-23 whe…[Read more]

@Berean,

Oh really? He’s not born yet!

The true Messiah may well be born today. When will we know?

How do you know he’s not born yet? Can you prove it with the Tanack?

A better question would be has he been revealed; his birth isn’t the focal point in the Tanakh, what he will do and what will happen when he arrives is. Please read again what I w…[Read more]

@Berean,

You’re not answering my question.

Who is this Son of Man to you? Yes, the Messiah, OK, but what name do you give him?

How can I name someone who hasn’t come yet!??!!?? I suppose we could call him “Bob”; but the wouldn’t be very Jewish.

@Berean,

I already said who the one that “looks like the son of man” is. It IS a reference to the Messiah; it IS NOT a reference to the Jesus. Can you prove the Jesus is the true Messiah spoken of in the Tanakh; did the Jesus fulfill all that was said the Messiah was to do when he was here; if the Jesus missed a single requirement spoken abo…[Read more]

@Berean,

Not following your passage comparison of Exodus and Daniel; one speaks of man not being able to fully see G-d’s glory and the other is a vision/dream. You still haven’t explained how this would be about the Jesus.

What enabled him to survive before God?

It was a dream.

The bigger and only question one must ask, did the Jesus fulfill wha…[Read more]

@Lightenup

I believe that the translation of NASB1995 is the most accurate and is what I use. I also believe that Isa 9:6 should be translated as in the NASB1995:

So, because you “believe” the 1995 NAS translation is the more accurate translation, it is?!!? What about the the Hebrew; is it less accurate? I would reason the Hebrew would be the mos…[Read more]

@Berean,

I only show you that pre-incarnate Jesus is very present in OT time

What you’ve shown is your belief; you have given no proof, just religious doctrine and interpretation. Christianity teaches the Jesus is the “angel of the Lord” spoken of in the Tanakh; so who where all the other angels in heaven if they weren’t the Lord’s angels?…[Read more]

@Berean,

Nothing like continuing to evade and dodge the question; are you afraid to say the name of the Jesus? Are you ashamed to proclaim his name? Is it because you know none of the verses support that belief when placed in the context they are written? So sad!

Isaiah is speaking of a son that has already been born…Hezekiah and NOT the…[Read more]

@Berean,

Which is whom!!!!

Why are you being so evasive?

@Berean,

Who do you say the Isa 9:5-6 passage is about? Let’s finish this goal before we move it.

@Berean,

This is the passage you posted and have been using during our conversation.

5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, “the prince of peace.”

6To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end,…

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@Berean,

And for you, FOR how long should this last? A few years, a few centuries, endless???

You aren’t helping your cause as I have already answered your question thru examples. Again, this king spoken of in the previous verse canNOT be the Jesus (christian belief, including yours) as there is a starting point of “now”, in Isaiah’s time; the Jes…[Read more]

@Berean,

Why are you quoting from a Hebrew translation? This translation destroys how king Jimmy translates it.

Did you finally leave the shackles of E. G. White?

Who do you think it speaking of if it isn’t Hezekiah or the Jesus?

What does the “now and to eternity” mean; are you understanding it with modern language or with the understanding…[Read more]

@Berean,

I see you didn’t read anything and are still smashing the “Ellen White Believe Button”; please provide a single passage in the NT where the Jesus is called any of these titles “wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father” OR the “prince of peace.” Additionally 9:7 says that there will be no end of the government of…[Read more]

@Berean,

You may want to read the last sentence of what I wrote; I explicitly state the king I’m speaking of and give passages for one to read concerning this king, the son of king Ahaz.

Since you went to chabad.org to get the verses in question, did you read the commentary?

Can you answer why Ahaz would need to hear about a “messiah” (for…[Read more]

@Lightenup

You asked if I have a favorite translation and if I compare them to others. Don’t have a favorite translation; but, when reading the Tanakh I read from a Hebrew translation as that is the closest I can get to the original until I learn Hebrew.

Do I compare translations, the short answer, yes. My study aid ranges from software to o…[Read more]

@Lightenup

If the questions you ask AI are christian geared, don’t you think the response will also be christian geared? Try a compare and contrast between the Hebrew and christian understandings and what type of answer you will receive. Ask:

What is the difference in understanding of Isaiah 9:6 in the Tanakh and KJV?

ChatGPT’s sum…[Read more]

@Lightenup

Regarding Jesus’ qualifications for the eternal throne:
Jewish Messianic Criteria
Must be a descendant of David through Solomon (based on 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22).
Must be biologically descended from David, not just legally adopted.

Nothing disagreeable here; your next statements are where the problem lies. You know the Jesus is…[Read more]