@Gene

@Berean

You aren’t listening to my words; nowhere have I implied Israel died for anyone’s sins. Go back to some previous posts and re-read. You and Berean are trying to merge two separate ideas – what I am reading in this passage and what you believe the passages states.

You still haven’t told me who you believe is speaking in the follo…[Read more]

@Danny

So what you are really saying is you can’t explain those chapters in your own words and rely on others to tell you what to believe. Now it makes sense!

@Gene

Now we resort to name calling…

If all you are going to do is reject without verifying, this becomes a waste of time and time for me is all too precious. If you are hung up on the plurality of the words, you really need to start reading in chapter 41 and you will discover how God speaks of HIS servant in the singular. I’m not “fo…[Read more]

@Danny

You copy/pasted someone else’s comments from a website that has been proven to push falsehoods. GotQuestions is horrible and the man running it is a charlatan.

So all you know is Ps 16, Ps 22, and Isa 53 as proof of Jesus dying for the sins of mankind; I have already explained each of these chapters and have shown how they could not be a…[Read more]

@Gene

Obviously my understanding isn’t correct; so please fix it.

I have told you who is speaking where, now it’s your turn. Who is speaking in these places:

Isa 52:13-15 –

Isa 53:1-9 –

Isa 53:10-12 –

As you answer who’s speaking above, make sure you are including with your understanding what’s happening in 52:1-12?

Analyzing what you sai…[Read more]

@Carmel

Apparently what you write is being hidden from me or to whomever you are responding to; just another period ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@Danny

You have yet to explain why this chapter is talking about the Messiah. Do that first before you call me a liar. I did offer an explanation on what’s happening in Isa 53 and have explained it isn’t speaking about the Messiah; post #943966. Where are your responses?

The reality is, you haven’t told me where it states the Messiah was to d…[Read more]

@Gene,

I have already explained who is speaking where in the fourth “Servant Song” in post #943966. The shocked nations are speaking in verses 1-9 and giving their explanation why the Israelite nation suffered. The nations are the “our” and “we.” Simple! But to understand it you have to unlearn what you have been told. You have to apply the w…[Read more]

@Gene,

What about what I wrote concerning Isa 53?

I knew someone would respond with the Abraham/Isaac “event.” Yet, Isaac wasn’t sacrificed; this was a test by God. Isaac’s blood wasn’t spilled on an alter, so there was no sacrifice done. God tested, Abraham passed, and his reward was: Gen 22 “17. That I will surely bless you, and I will greatl…[Read more]

@Carmel,

Don’t know the period means; if you sent something, it didn’t come through.

@Proclaimer,

YOU: “If I had an enemy and I had a plan to defeat him within the laws that I myself set, then I wouldn’t be stupid enough to divulge that plan verbatim like you are expecting.”

ME: Are you saying “Satan” was to stupid to understand what was written in the OT?!?! Now there’s a good laugh! What exactly was “hidden” in the OT that man…[Read more]

@Carmel

I am super confused by what you’re actually looking for. I have already explained what I believe is happening in these verses. For some reason you believe there is more. All I read is Daniel praising God for revealing a dream that was “hidden.” Again, apparently my reading and comprehension skills pale to yours.

Daniel 2:22 He revea…[Read more]

@Berean,

I wasn’t asking about your personal experience; I am talking about the general state of the church today and the conversion process used. Here is what’s written on two separate “christian” tracks picked up in the last year:

Written on a fake “trillion dollar bill”, “The trillion dollar question: will you go to heaven when you die? Here…[Read more]

@Carnel,

Please enlighten all of us with your “super spiritual” thinking. Fix our “carnal” mindset and explain this verse, apparently my reading and comprehension skills aren’t as developed as yours.

If God isn’t the one who “reveals”; who does!

If God doesn’t know what is in darkness; who/what is in this particular darkness?

If lig…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Hate to break it to you, not one of those verses cited spoke of a “sacrificed” Messiah. Keep guessing. Start in chapter 41 and read through 55, then tell me who the “servant” is. If you don’t read this section of Isaiah, placing it in the context it was written, you’re understanding is limited to what you have been told it says. Yo…[Read more]

@Gene,

What you need to do is forget everything you have been taught about Isa 53; better yet, go verify everything you’ve been taught…is it truth?

For clarity, in what context are you speaking when you ask, “the nation of Israel, has also never done any of those things mentioned in Isa 53.” Are you speaking of verses 1-9 or 10-12? This quest…[Read more]

@Danny,

Danny, Danny, Danny, you still haven’t answered the question of where it states in the OT the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind. Tell me, what’s more important; your religion or truth? Before you go completely religious on me, I was where you are about a month or so ago; that is until I started verifying what I have been told was…[Read more]

@Carmel,

YOU: “Now just explain WHAT DARKNESS IS in the above scriptures, especially THE LAST ONE, please”

ME: Because you wanted me to focus on Daniel 2:22, that is all I will speak on: “He reveals the deep and the hidden things; he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him.”

As a spiritual understanding, Carmel minded…[Read more]

@Gene,

Let’s say the meaning is “because of”; please find in the OT where the Messiah was to die “because of” the sins of mankind. Again, Paul did state “according to scripture”, this means it’s in the OT.

@Berean,

No one has provided a single passage that states what Paul said in I Cor 15. Every passage given as “proof” has either been read between the lines or taken out of context. Therefore nothing given! Truth isn’t what you believe or want it to be, truths are cold, hard facts. Paul made the claim, now where are the facts?

Isa 53 has been…[Read more]