@ Berean,

So is Christ decent from heaven the same as manna? Both “came down” from heaven.

Is Jesus truly the archangel Micheal? Can you scripturally show where in the old testament this is stated?

@ Proclaimer,

In all your have written, you still haven’t said what come “from heaven” means from a Jewish perspective.

To say the “Jews rejected” Christ is a misnomer because you need to read the book of Acts. 3000 at Pentecost.

So what does is it mean to “descend from Heaven”? Is it to physically or in the mind of God?

@ Berean,

You: “IS JESUS NOT IN A CERTAIN SENSE “THE FATHER”

NO!!

I thought Jesus was the archangel Micheal in the old testament…would that then make it the quadinitry. I’m confused!

@ Proclaimer,

What is the Jewish understanding of what it means to come  “from heaven”?

Answer that, and you may get an “amen.”

Jesus did not preexist!

…And the bible battle continues…

Our translations aren’t unified, so how can the church be?!?!? Think about it!

Ever notice how the Tanakh doesn’t have this issue?

@ Carmel,

Sorry, what you wrote sounds like something out of Dante’s Inferno!

Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna are NOT the same place, regardless of what you believe.

Hades is Greek mythology.

Gehenna is the name of an actual valley on the southeast of Jerusalem where refuse, dead animals, and unburied bodies of criminals were burned.

Sheol is o…[Read more]

@ Carmel,

YOU: Luke 2:52 – “And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.”

ME: Christ “kept increasing”; meaning wisdom, stature, and favor were continually increasing. If Christ was filled with this at his birth or prior, why would more need to be “added” as he grew?

YOU: “THAT JESUS EVER (“never”?) RECEIVED TH…[Read more]

@ Berean,

What is this “mystery of God” in Col 2:2? Explain its meaning.

You also state: “For me Jesus is not just a man. HE IS THE 👉DIVINE 👈 SON OF GOD
WHO HAS CLOTHED OUR HUMANITY IN ORDER TO SAVE US FROM SIN.”

Can you provide any scripture that states Christ existed in a dual form?

@ Berean,

Your statement is the main reason this debate has been raging for the last 20 years; no one wants to verify what they have been told or taught to be truth is actually the truth. Doctrine has superseded God’s words and is why the church isn’t unified, why the church is collapsing, and why sin is running rampant within its walls. Truth…[Read more]

@ Carmel,

This is patently false and makes absolutely zero sense. You are quoting a verse before Christ was baptized, before beginning of his ministry, and equating Christ to “our first love”??!!?

One question for you, what is the first and greatest commandment? Also, read I John 4:7-21; where does love come from?

@ Berean,

As I skimmed through the suggested book, the main take away is the King James is the only proper bible written and other translations are only good when they agree with it. Hate to break it to you, the KJV has its own flaws and in no way is it “perfect”; which is why I have 12 translations I use daily and reference another 60+ online.…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

What was the gospel, the “good news”, Christ taught? Wasn’t it the coming of the Kingdom of God? Was it not Christ who entered the Kingdom of God?

I haven’t had the time to fully talk about Col 1:15-18 as it becomes a lengthy discussion to dissect the verses. I will say, there is a period in most translations at the end of verse 17…[Read more]

@ Jodi,

I believe God the Father has made understanding what HE said so simple and man’s religion has complicated everything. Hold fast, you too Gene, I believe God is removing religious blinders from people in preparation of something coming that will shake this world to its core. We are but a small fleeting speck on this planet and only have a…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Who made you the authority and what qualifications do you have to determine which scripture translation is correct or not? What is the perfect scripture then? I must know! This way I can put away the twelve I use daily on my computer and can stop using the other 60+ I reference online. Tell me the one I should use so I can put the rest…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Are you really being this stubborn? When you ask someone their name, are you asking in the present or future tense? Agur is asking if either of them know of someone who can do all he is asking and to tell him their name.

Here’s a little food for thought. Why is Agur also asking for this man’s childrens name. I may be reading into this…[Read more]

@ Berean,

So the truth is you can’t reconcile Deut 18 to a preexistent Christ; so are now choosing to ignore it.

Prov 30:4, did your read the chapter? I don’t understand why Jesus has to be injected into everything read in the old testament? Are you sure you’re an Adventist, starting to sound like a Southern Baptist!

Beginning in verse 1 we fin…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Explain what you believe is happening in Proverbs 30:4; what does it mean?

To say I am stuck on the Deut. passage tells me you haven’t any idea how to justify your belief to the passage. The language is simple and nothing is hidden in it, so it can be read and understood for what it literally says.

Why are we back on Micah? Didn’t I e…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You end your post with “No answer?” Was I suppose to answer this before you posted it!?!? Or is there a misunderstanding in what you wrote; a transnational issue between languages?

What did you explain concerning the Deut 18 verses? Absolutely nothing! You revert back to what you have been educated in and say here’s your proof, just…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

Post #943063

“Jesus Christ being the first born of all creation and having first place in all things”. Does this mean Christ preexisted or he was first to be raised from the dead and receive God’s glory?

“If Jesus Christ is not the Word or the first to be with God then who was?” Christ is the flesh that came from the word; the…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Deut. 18:15 (Moses speaking) Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from your midst, of your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him.

Deut. 18:17,18 Yahweh said to me (Moses), “They have well said that which they have spoken.  18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you. I will put my words in hi…[Read more]