@ Berean,

This is insanity! When are you going to stop defending or justifying your religion? What is happening in the verses before and after that put verses 6-7 into context of what has been written. Don’t need an academic response from a commentary, just your thoughts.

About your copy and paste…

Viewpoint 1 is the Jewish…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You can quote the same scriptures over and over again, but without any explanation of what is being conveyed in the context they are written, means nothing. Using “pointy fingers” to emphasize a phrase or word says nothing, other than you know how to insert an image. What are the first five verses talking about in Isaiah chapter 9, wha…[Read more]

@ Berean,

What did I exaggerate? I quoted your words.

Basically what you’re saying is the King James translation supersedes the Hebrew of the old testament?!?!?! Who wrote the old testament (really called the Tanakh) and in what language was it written? How can you not see the change that was done? The words are literally changed from a past to…[Read more]

@ Berean,

When I suggested to you to take my question concerning the changes done to Isa 9:6, you responded with “I have no account to render to any pastor…”; how is asking this question to your religious leader “submitting to” or being “controlled by” them? To me this sounded like another deflection, hence my response. The issue isn’t about w…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Why wouldn’t you take this question to your pastor, your leader, your shepherd? Are you not allowed to ask them questions? If so, you need to run! Are you to simply plant your rear on a bench every Saturday and unquestioningly absorb all they say? If so, you need to run! I believe it’s fear preventing you from taking this question to…[Read more]

@ Berean,

I am not speaking at this moment of Isa 53; if you would like to go there, Let me know when you start a new thread and we can spend the next 20 years debating what Isa 53 is really talking about.

You don’t think grammar matters and we shouldn’t get “fussy” over tenses?!?!

Let’s eat, Grandpa.
Let’s eat Grandpa.

That comma seems extre…[Read more]

@ Berean,

The Septuagint passage was all you gleaned from what I wrote?!!??!?!?? I did go look at your link and to be honest, I got about half way thru and gave up as it’s from a false doctrinal, trinitarian perspective. I thought you didn’t believe in the trinity; the faith you follow does.

Either you didn’t read all I wrote or you are ignoring…[Read more]

Isa 9:6 was quoted during one of our conversations (page 1204, #943359), not entirely sure what the point of the comment is or really the direction they were going; but they did say to “concentrate” on Isa 9:6, so I did. The following is the verse in a few translations:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government sha…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You tell me what scripture says about “coming from heaven”! Don’t you dare throw this back in my court as I am asking YOU to explain what YOU believe it means! You are revealing something, you are simply parroting what you are told to believe and you have no idea why you believe what you believe.

YOU:

He was in the HEAVEN WITH THE F…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

Can’t say that I deflect and veer off course onto another topic as what happened with the “my Father, your Father”, “my God, your God” discussion when it moved to “going to”/ascending to” after I posted scripture confirming the father and God of Jesus is the same father and God to us.

Now for two of you to use my line to poke at me…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Do you see how you aren’t explaining what “come down from heaven” means? To simply quote another verse that has “come down” doesn’t give meaning, it shows you found another verse that says the same thing (John 6 is your jackpot 🙂 ). Explain what it means to “come down from heaven” to be “from heaven.”

Is to “come down” to pass through…[Read more]

You have yet to answer what it means to “come down”, is Jesus “coming down” the same as manna “coming down” from heaven?

You said Christ was equal with God, I asked for scripture to support it; have not received any.

You said God “required” a “partner” to redeem and judge the world, I asked for scripture; have not received any

I asked for any…[Read more]

@ Berean,

There’s a pot calling the kettle black! Still waiting for my questions to be answered!

@ Carmel,

How interesting that you would bring up Isa 9; I am currently in the middle of studying this section of Isaiah (7-12,13).

@ Berean,

You still haven’t explained what it means to “come down from heaven” nor answered what truths I have rejected.

Funny what happens when people who are shown their thinking is incorrect; they start looking for other things to argue about, all the while ignoring the truth that just slapped them in the face.

Explain how “going to” or “ascending to” became the primary focus when “My Father, your Father; My God, your God” was the prior focus? (Hopefully…[Read more]

In reference to John 20:17 “My Father, your Father; My God, your God.” Did the Jews think of God as their father? After doing a quick, simple search; let’s take a look…

Isa 63:16 “For you are our Father, though Abraham doesn’t know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us: you, Yahweh, are our Father; our Redeemer from everlasting is your name.”[Read more]

@ Berean,

What truth have I rejected? Your belief system? Articulate.

@ Berean,

You don’t see how that belief and understanding diminishes the Father?!!? The Father, who created the universe and all that is in it, is incapable of judging and redeeming HIS creation. My the God you serve is tiny! I believe the understanding you are missing is the Father/Son, King/Prince relationship. The son/prince can never be over…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

YOU:

If Jesus Christ was not the literal firstborn of all creation, then this verse is impossible.

to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

Do I hear an amen to this verse. So far no one is saying amen to these verses in the New…[Read more]

Berean,

How am I to explain myself when you have not answered the question? You demand answers to your questions; where are my answers? My response/explanation is dependent upon an answer. What is the Jewish understanding of coming from heaven and is Jesus coming from heaven the same as manna coming from heaven? It’s a simple question, stop…[Read more]