@Proclaimer,

Yes once dead one cannot be rejudged for past sin in the resurrection.

So what is the second death for?

@Keith,

Enoch and Elijah were sinners.

Apparently not to bad a “sinner” since G-d whisked them away and they NEVER saw death. You’re going to have a hard time squaring that one up for me; the Jesus died, and they didn’t and as you say, they were “sinners.”

Those all died back in Jesus’ day– My post is truth on that.

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@Keith,

Another great attribute of what Gods kingdom rule will accomplish for mankind= No resident will ever say–i am sick -Isaiah 33:24)

Please read the passage in the context it was written…eyes roll…and stop cherry picking phrases you like. Who will never say I am sick; what residents are spoken of here; who does this passage apply to? Who…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

The soul that sins will die.

Absolutely, G-d said so; but, what must one do to live? (Ezek 18)

Therefore, death is the price of sin and it is a required payment.

When did G-d say death is the “required payment” for sin?

God is also merciful.

Absolutely!! He tells us HE is AND freely forgives those who come to HIM with a repentant hea…[Read more]

@Keith,

Jesus death covers repented sin.

Explain how the innocent can take on the sins of guilty when G-d said the guilty are responsible for their guilt. Will you enter a courtroom and take on the punishment of a murderer? So how can the Jesus take on the guilt of the entire world?

Jesus said-some of you here will never taste death– all there…

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@Keith,

He only died 3 days and was raised.

So the Jesus died; how much greater then were Enoch and Elijah as neither saw death? You still haven’t answered the question of where in the Tanakh G-d said the Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind. The Tanakh speaks about the true Messiah, who he will be and what he will do; and I haven’t read a s…[Read more]

@Keith,

God loves all mankind, it’s why he sacrificed his son on all’s behalf.

There is so much wrong in this statement; how is sacrificing someone/putting them to death, an act of “love”?!?!

Since G-d only spoke HIS commands in the Tanakh, please find the passage saying G-d was sending HIS “son” to be sacrificed, find the passage saying…[Read more]

@Gene,

Let’s blow another hole in your “self will righteousness” theory.

Reading Isa 55:6-7 Seek the Lord when He is found, call Him when He is near. 7 The wicked shall give up his way, and the man of iniquity his thoughts, and he shall return to the Lord, Who shall have mercy upon him, and to our God, for He will freely pardon.

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@Keith,

So G-d hates his creation?!?!? Ezek 18:32 “For it is not My desire that anyone shall die—declares the Sovereign GOD. Repent, therefore, and live!”

Seems G-d has given all a choice; but you have taken that option off the table by making G-d into your image and condemning virtually all of mankind to death.

@Keith,

You may want to read the entire 37th Psalm to place the two passages you quote into context. It doesn’t speak of a singular “wicked one” (which I have to presume you believe is referencing “Satan”) and you then continue on with what seems to be a reference to the “millennial age.”

This entire chapter speaks of security/protection for…[Read more]

@Gene,

Had to step away due to life events, but what you wrote concerning Jacob and Esau bugged me and had to dig into it further. You wrote:

GOD THE FATHER EVEN TRYS PEOPLE BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN BORN, just as he did in the case of Jacob and Esau. Saying, to Rebekah, “two nations are in your womb, and two manner of people, shall be separated from…

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@Gene,

DT, what do you do with this scripture……> Jer 17:10…., “I the LORD search the (heart) , I try the reins (mind) , even to give “every” man according to his ways and according to the fruit of his doings”.

What exactly am I suppose to do with it? It simply says G-d the examines heart and knows the mind; HE knows the true thoughts and desir…[Read more]

@Gene,

DT, show me where I ever said I was “filled” , with Holy Spirit. I said I have the Holy Spirit, (the spirit of truth) Abiding in me, that is how I know you are not of the truth , in rejecting Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul, and the whole New Testament,

Of everything I have written in the last several months, what have you verified or…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

I finally realize the difference between christianity and what is written in the Tanakh concerning sin; christianity believes sin is a condition or an attribute/characteristic of humanity, consider themselves dirty rags, and thus need a “redeemer” to be forgiven; the Tanakh teaches sin is an action and you have a c…

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@Kieth,

What you wrote sounds like something from the “Left Behind” book series by LaHaye and Jenkins.

Back up your claim with scripture.

@Gene,

GeneBalthrop wrote:

DT…….Jesus and Paul were “ALL”, about mastering sin, and showed us all how that is accomplished. It wasn’t them that created the “quick fix”, that was fallen so called “CHRISTIANITY”, that created the “quick fix”. Jesus and Paul, showed us all “the way” to overcome sin, and it’s the exact same way they did, by the exa…

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@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

I wasn’t speaking of paying a “fine”; I’m speaking of taking on the guilt of another; assuming the punishment of the guilty. Simply paying a “fine” is a monetary extortion of breaking a law and is used for compliance;

Sin has a cost and so does breaking man’s law. The cost for breaking some laws is a fine. The c…

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@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

(DT) Matt 2:15 to Hosea 11:1; do they agree? Explain how if you believe they do.

(Proclaimer) Carnality cannot see the deeper truths of scripture and wisdom. It is superficial. Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and so the Son of Man was in the belly of the earth. Both rose from that hell.

What does…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

(DT) What about Matt 5:43 where the Jesus says “you shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy”; where did God said to “hate your enemy.”

(Proclaimer) It does not say, “It is written”, but rather, “it hath been said”.

So, who said to “hate your enemy”? It definitely ISN’T written within the Tanakh. In fact the o…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Proclaimer wrote:

(DT) I’m still waiting for when G-d, speaking thru the prophets, said the blood of the messiah was to save mankind from eternal death and sin.

(Proclaimer)Think about it, if God let out that part of his plan as you think he should have if it were true, then Jesus Christ would not have been sacrificed on a cross. S…

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