Quote (david @ Nov. 23 2012,15:13)I have a really really important question. 1.  When the glass levitated, with his and your pinky on the top of the glass, was his thumb pointing down?  I can't remember, you probably told me, but did the glass seem to float a couple feet in the air and then drop to the table or ground?  Were there people to the si…[Read more]

Quote Don't get hung up on your magician past or present to explain how spirits act. That is a spiritual question that is best answered by scripture. Not man-made experiments. Don't believe me, then try and prove God by setting up a video recorded experiment and I bet your results will be disappointing. Try and prove that angels exist or even…[Read more]

T8, I want you to step into my mind for a second.  I have spent a lot of time trying to get into your mind recently.  Here is a glimpse into my mind that may help you see my point of view:At 7, I became interested in magic for the same reason everyone that becomes interested in magic does.  (Almost all magicians take up this hobby around the ag…[Read more]

Quote Here is the voice of reason if you are willing to hear it.I am always willing to hear a voice of reason t8. I am sorry this conversation is taking up too much of your time. I seem to have a lot of time the last couple days as I am home from work, and have a lot of time on my hands recently.

Quote Don't get hung up on your magician past or present to explain how spirits act. But I'm not trying to explain “how spirits act.”  I'm explaining that I know and have studied the people who spend their entire life deceiving people into believing that spirits are at work, when it is natural phenomena. I don't know how spirits act today. I…[Read more]

Quote I bet if someone setup an experiment to prove that he talks to people or that he exists, the result would be there is no God and thus God is now debunked.No. Here is how I would compare it. If someone that didn't understand magnetism (magnetic fields) or compasses, was shown a compass, and they reasoned: how does the needle move by…[Read more]

Quote In case you miss the point again, I will put it in caps.COMMUNICATING WITH SPIRITS AND THE DEAD IS FORBIDDEN IN SCRIPTUREAgreed! AGREED! What does any of this have to do with your cup experience? You were not communicating with spirits. You were deceived by the ideomotor effect and your subconscious mind, (and perhaps your friend).I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2012,18:08)david, I think this conversation is getting to time consuming. I usually draw the line when that happens. I will answer a few more of your questions. If you check my posts I have given you quite a lot of detail and more than enough for you to process. It would be more interesting to me if the conversation perhaps…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2012,16:13)Quote (david @ Nov. 23 2012,04:08)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2012,07:17)Quote (david @ Nov. 23 2012,01:42)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2012,05:55)To all,Exodus 7:10King James Version (KJV)10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh,…[Read more]

Quote (princess @ Nov. 23 2012,23:11)David,I understand you are adamant about staying on topic and posting to the correct thread ect., ect., so on and so forth. Alas due to my thoughts I am not permitted to post in the thread. Just so you know, at times I do not do well with staying on topic. Don't want you walking into something that may…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2012,13:15)davidQuote Terrarica, I am just someone who is interested in truth. what has the truth of God in common with the devil works or his world ,;it says that we have to leave it not to learned or to study it but run away from itFor the record, I have never used a ouija board. So far, we have the two moderators…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2012,12:52)Quote (david @ Nov. 23 2012,15:39)I have only said that ouija boards do not work by spirits.  Magicians as a group hate mediums, spiritits, diviners, sorcerers and anyone who is full of fraud in this respect. I can keep,saying that computers are demonized just as long as you can say ouija boards are.  The scripture a…[Read more]

I have a really really important question. 1. When the glass levitated, with his and your pinky on the top of the glass, was his thumb pointing down? I can't remember, you probably told me, but did the glass seem to float a couple feet in the air and then drop to the table or ground? Were there people to the side of you? We're they surprised?…[Read more]

T8, I don't “think he was a trickster”I just happen to know that a lot of the time, this is what is going on, with the other person consciously moving the planchette or cup to where they want. (Or, possibly crazy gluing their finger to the cup, and levitating it)I just want as much information as possible. A video would be amazing. But, we just…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2012,12:41)Quote (david @ Nov. 23 2012,15:21)T8,How high did the glass go?  (When David Blaine appeared to levitate off the ground it was 1 inch, but people later recalled it being several inches or a foot).  Whose board was it?Who was the other person using it?We're there alcohol or drugs involved?What kind of glass?  What ma…[Read more]

Quote Generally not good. Brought up an Atheist and my dad was violent. Didn't enjoy my childhood except when I was at least 1km in distance from my dad.T8, I am sorry you had a bad childhood. For the past 3 weeks I have been studying the effects of hitting or spanking children and the learning problems, mental problems, and health problems, it…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 23 2012,12:21)Quote (david @ Nov. 23 2012,13:21)Quote Tricks do not explain everythingNever said they did.  But ouija board, is explained by the ideomotor effect, memory, the love of stories, hit and miss confirmation bias, stooges, etc.david, a ouija board is just a piece of plastic, cardboard, or some other material.Calling up…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 22 2012,10:50)Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,14:34)Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,10:28)T8:My 3 wishes:1. IS THIS STATEMENT TRUE?: If its the spirits, they should be able to guide your hands no matter whether you can see or not, but if its people doing it unconsciously, the blindfold will screw things up. 2. Why do you think it…[Read more]

T8,How high did the glass go? (When David Blaine appeared to levitate off the ground it was 1 inch, but people later recalled it being several inches or a foot). Whose board was it?Who was the other person using it?We're there alcohol or drugs involved?What kind of glass? What material? How heavy?What were your hand positions on the glass?How…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2012,11:27)Quote (david @ Nov. 23 2012,06:16)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2012,11:14)it does not matter how much you talk about this it will never come more than NOTHING AT ALL ,this is why the skeptic side is more appropriate for those discussionsWhat does “come more than NOTHING AT ALL” mean?  What is “it”?show me how…[Read more]