“Let's agree to not disagree.”I really don't expect either of us to change our minds or to say uncle, but when I introduced the scripture in Romans, and you began talking about human nature, it started to seem to me like you do believe in inherited sin, but call it by another name, and believe that Jehovah created us with an inclination towards…[Read more]

“For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of the one many will be constituted righteous.”You are comparing the wrong things. It's not saying that we were constituted sinners in the same manner as we were constituted righteous. That makes no sense. It's comparing the…[Read more]

Quote Quote (Sammo @ Mar. 06 2006,01:51)How do you believe characters from the Bible fit into this small number? (144,000 right?) Who exactly will go to heaven?Hi DavidI'm still very interested in your responses to these questions, and briefly how you prove them from scripture – will be a big help for me replying to your posts.ThanksSam It's quite…[Read more]

Ok, I haven't done a few more pages, but would like to add a couple more scriptures:PHILIPPIANS 3:14“I am pursuing down toward the goal for THE PRIZE OF THE UPWARD CALL of God by means of Christ Jesus.” (Compare Ro 1:7; 8:30; 2 Tim 1:9; Jude 1:1) Which direction are the heavens? The word rendered “heaven(s)” seems to have the basic sense of that…[Read more]

WhatisTrue,Quote In short, you seem to think we are sinners because of who we are, whereas I think that we are sinners because of the things that we actually do.Well, actually I think both. Again, I say, I am not saying that there aren't scritpures that speak of the specific bad things that people do as sins. We all know that to do bad is to…[Read more]

Whatistrue,I don't think we're going in circles at all. If we're still discussing this verse in a couple pages….then circles.”For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.”I don't understand how you can see this verse differently. Yes, it's comparing two things. But if we…[Read more]

I’m sorry for the delay Sammo. One of the reasons for my delay is that I like to be thorough and there is so much to cover. I now realize that if I wait to have a comprehensive statement on why I believe some do go to heaven, you would have to wait quite a while. I have a 38 page file that has formed and only the first 3 pages is organized, b…[Read more]

Quote Passage #1:Romans 5:19QuoteFor as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.This verse says that in the same way that many were made sinners, many will be made righteous. Well, the question is: what is that way? You say that we are sinners because of our genetic rel…[Read more]

Whatistrue, you previous said:Quote David,You wrote:QuoteWhatIsTrue, please answer the following based on what you know from experience or from books or whereever:1. Could a child conceived in this way by an imperfect woman be perfect and free from sin in his physical organism?2. How do the laws of heredity work when there is a union of perfection…[Read more]

ROMANS 5:19“For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of the one many will be constituted righteous.”Quote Sultan,You have completely misunderstood, (and misrepresented), my position.You wrote:QuoteIt is not Paul's word vs. Jesus. It is all God's Word.Where did I eve…[Read more]

Interesting question.Is the answer: His previous spiritual existence?Some say glory, others power.“Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, . . . emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.” (Philippians 2:5-7) So this heavenly Son of God divested himself completely of “God’s form” to take on hu…[Read more]

We must look at how sin is spoken of as a whole.In the book of Romans, the inspired apostle Paul explains this in graphic terms: We are “UNDER SIN,” as soldiers are under their commander (Romans 3:9); it has “RULED” over mankind like a king (Romans 5:21); it “RESIDES,” or is “DWELLING,” within us (Romans 7:17, 20); its “LAW” is continually at work…[Read more]

I agree with Sultan. You can definitely show a lot of scriptures that speak of sin being a specific breaking of God's standards, for when you do that, you are definitely sinning (“missing,” or not reaching a goal, way, mark, or right point.)But that is not what we are discussing. We all know those scriptures exist. But it's the sciptures that…[Read more]

A month ago, Is 1:18, you said:Quote Wow I think I actually agree with David on something.:-0A couple of other passages that I don't think have been mentioned yet:PHILIPPIANS 1 (NASB)21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose.…[Read more]

d, would you have said the same thing to the early Christians about the Jews, the scribes, and pharisees? They would not have agreed with you.There is one road, one door. Satan doesn't want us to find this door. He has created countless other doors in an attempt to hide the way to Christ.MATTHEW 7:13-14““Go in through the narrow gate; bec…[Read more]

Essentially, we differ on this: I believe the scriptures which speak of the the “Jerusalem above,” “heavenly Jerusalem” refer to a heavenly Jersusalem, above, in heaven. I believe that when earthly Jerusalem as a whole rejected God's Son, God rejected earthly Jersualem. And I believe his son made this known.I also believe that much of the things…[Read more]

Scriptural common sense, vs confusion.Is 1:18, or anyone esle,If you are wondering what the expression “Son of God” means, there are about 1728 times where we find the expression “son of” in the Bible. I strongly suggest you look at each of these. I believe you will find a common thread: They all mean what they say.So when all those People…[Read more]

OK, Sammo, I've left this topic too long. I tend to shift interests quickly. Last time we were discussing this, I seem to have gotten bogged down in Hebrews, in spiritual Israel vs. fleshly Israel, and I may have been sidetracked and failed to see the whole.Please refresh me as to what you believe: You believe no one goes to heaven, but that…[Read more]

Quote the spirit himself speaksActs 11:28 And rising up, one of them named Agabus, foretold by the Spirit…Acts 13:2 Now as they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work which I have called them.”Liljon,LUKE 19:40“But in reply he said: “I tell YOU, If these remained sil…[Read more]

Quote http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-holy-spirit.htmThe holy spirit is a personLiljon,The BibleThe holy spirit is not a person.