General,Again, you are unable to actually discuss the topic of worship with me, so you try to prove you're right by stating things that aren't related. THIS IS A SAD APPROACH at showing you are right.This is what's called FALSE REASONING. Please see the FALLACIES thread and read it several times.Quote The words for worship in the OT and NT are…[Read more]

Quote David,OK, I agree so far.Quote It's this simple:I agree. It is simple.Quote Messiah was obedient. Does that mean we are now all righteous? If not, why not? After all, the verse says, “through the obedience of the one many will be constituted righteous.”We can spit in YHWH's face, turn our back on Him, and curse His Holy Spirit, but we…[Read more]

Some clarification on this sentence in my last post:Quote They CAN BE and are associated with worship when used with reference to God.What I meant to say was: They can be associated with worship–and are associated with worship when refering to Jehovah.And secondly, I just went back to see what I actually said. General said:Quote And brother, i…[Read more]

Quote And brother, i am sorry for whoever may have been telling you that the Hebrew word for worship and greek word for worship are different in meaning. As I said, I agree with you, they are very very close. This is what I said. I only said they have a slightly differnet shade in meaning (when you look at where the words come from). If you…[Read more]

On page 3 of this thread, Sammo has provided a link that goes into much much greater detail, looking at all the references where these words are used, how they are used, the history of the English word 'worship' and how it has changed since the 16th century, etc. It covers most everything.david.

OneoftheLord'sgenerals,in the trinity thread, you said:Quote Also, i have had a disagreement with someone on the use of worship. With much study and advice from some greek-hebrew experts. I have found out that the Hebrew form of worship(OT) is the same Greek form of worship(NT). See the bible was done in Hebrew in the Old testament before the…[Read more]

Quote “The question is not whether many were made sinners. The question is how. I say, “in the same way that many will be made righteous”. In other words, by following the example of their “elder brother”. Many were made sinners by rejecting YHWH and turning to sin.”I know I just made this point above, but it seems so wrong to me, I have to…[Read more]

SHOULD WE “WORSHIP” JESUS?THE HEBREW AND GREEK WORDS THAT ARE OFTEN TRANSLATED “WORSHIP,” HAVE A VARIETY OF MEANINGS. LET’S LOOK AT THEM.At HEBREWS 1:6, the angels are instructed to “worship” Jesus, according to the rendering of RS, TEV, KJ, JB, and NAB, and others. New World Translation (NW) says: “do obeisance to.” Young's Literal Translati…[Read more]

Quote I am not confident in my answer but here is my 2 cents worth:He emptied himself if his nature.I agree with t8. When he “became flesh,” he emptied himself of his previous spiritual existence as a spirit creature, his very nature.

Quote ou wrote:QuoteSo you “believe that Adam's disobedience made many sinners.” Regardless of how it did this, or what we compare it to, what I thought we were discussing is: “Did Adam's disobedience make other's sinners?” So, as far as I can tell, the answer is “Yes.” You yourself said it.The question is not whether many were made sinners.…[Read more]

Quote 5. Matthew 12:31: Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy (every evil, abusive, injurious speaking, or indignity against sacred things) can be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not and cannot be forgiven.Matt. 12:31, 32, (Revised Standard): “Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against t…[Read more]

Quote A person can speak, and have a will or initiative. In-animate objects do not have that ability, hence in-animate/ not animate.A person can speak, and have a will or initiative. In-animate objects do not hae that ability, but are sometimes spoken of in such a way. There are some obvious examples that prove this.

Quote Proverbs is clearly allegorical and we all know wisdom is not a person. The holy spirit is a person in many places in the bible and spoke audibly to real people in a historical setting. To say that wisdom or anything else personified disqualifies the holy spirit from being person is not logic.Exactly right. It doesn't prove it. And it…[Read more]

Quote You can't just tell me in two sentences? Apparently, I can't. I tried. But I failed.Quote Do you believe the people that go to heaven have physical bodies, or are they just souls? Do you believe that we have immortal souls?Please read the second and third scriptures in Bold in the long post above.Quote What happens to people who are bad in…[Read more]

Quote “For just as , likewise also .”The problem is: You are taking this very clear sentence to mean that: Joe drinks by lighting his drinks of fire.That's the conclusion you came to.It says: “For just as,” doesn't it?That's what you keep saying to me.Yet, that is not what is being comparing. The actions of one man had an effect on us. The…[Read more]

Quote Either I have not been clear about my position, or you are misunderstanding, (or misrepresenting), my argument. Let me be clear:I do not believe that anyone is born with sin. We are each responsible for our own sins. We do not inherit guilt from our fathers.It's not guilt that inherit from Adam, as we are not guilty of Adam's sin. We do…[Read more]

The Bible states that “wisdom” is a person, having both “works” and “children.”The Bible states that “sin” is a king, who rules, induces, works, kills and seduces.The Bible states that “death” is also a king, who rules.The Bible states that “undeserved kindness” is a king.So in your words: 'The Bible states that are a he. Giving them a title of a…[Read more]

Quote The Bible states that The Holy Spirit is a he. Giving it a title of a person, not an inanimate object to be called it. Even the carefully worded NW says states so. Even though it says it, it it, and this one, this one, this one. It slipped and called The Spirit a he in John 16:14. Calls The Holy spirit this one(it in many other verses), then…[Read more]

Ok, sure.But later, I will provide the scriptures.I believe that the holy ones, the “small flock” of anointed who are joint heirs with Christ will inherit the kingdom, a government that will rule over the earth and that these will be priests, judges and kings, with Christ. Since they will be rulers, and do judging, there will have to be some…[Read more]

Quote So, the devil made him do it? Funny, that was essentially Adam's defense too, but YHWH didn't buy it. Neither do I.I didn't say the devil made him do it. But that IS where the desire originated.After Satan spoke to here, we find these words:”Consequently the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something to be longed…[Read more]