david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
PERSONIFICATION DOES NOT PROVE PERSONALITYGo back and look at the very first two questions I asked: “Does the Bible teach that the holy spirit is a person? Does God’s word say that the holy spirit is God?Today, we speak of the Bible in a similar manner when we say that it says something or teaches a doctrine. We can say that the Bible helps, com…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH SPEAK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN A WAY THAT INDICATES IT IS NOT A PERSON. It is referred to as a “gift.” (Acts 10:45; 1 Timothy 4:14). The spirit of God is said to be divisible and able to be distributed. (Num. 11:17-25)The holy spirit can ‘fill’ a person, and a person can be “full of holy spirit.” It can be “upon” h…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
“SOMETHING, NOT SOMEONE”–CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA ADMITSEven though Catholics view the holy spirit as part of the trinity, New Catholic Encyclopedia Encyclopedia must admit: “The majority of N T texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” (1967, Vol. XIII,…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
USED IN PARALLEL WITH QUALITIES AND OTHER IMPERSONAL THINGSThe Bible states that Stephen was “full of faith and holy spirit.” (Acts 6:5) And the apostle Paul recommended himself as God’s minister “by purity, by knowledge, by long-suffering, by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy.”—2 Corinthians 6:4-6.You can be “filled” wi…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
LOVELOVE–WE ARE COMMANDED TO LOVE JEHOVAH AND JESUS. WHAT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?We are required to love God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ; but no one is ever required to love the holy spirit. No such precept is given, nor is there any reference to it. Why?LOVE–BETWEEN FATHER AND SON. WHAT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?In many passages, Jesus spoke of…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
USED POSSESSIVELY More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:1…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
THE HOLY SPIRIT LACKS PERSONAL IDENTIFICATIONSince God himself is a Spirit and is holy and since all his faithful angelic sons are spirits and are holy, it is evident that if the “holy spirit” were a person, there should reasonably be given some means in the Scriptures to distinguish and identify such spirit person from all these other ‘holy spiri…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
NO DISTINCTIVE NAME, UNLIKE JEHOVAH AND JESUS, AND EVERYONE ELSEThat the holy spirit is without personality is also indicated by the fact that it has no distinctive name.The Bible never speaks of the holy spirit in the same way that it speaks of God or of Jesus. For example, in the Bible, the holy spirit does not have a personal name.Is that just…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
SECONDARY POSITION IN THE SCRIPTURES / GREETINGS…How could the holy spirit be equal with Jehovah the Father when it is given a secondary position in the Scriptures? Above we saw that it is missing from the visions of Jehovah and his Son in heaven. But it is somehow neglected to be mentioned in several other places by the divinely inspired…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
A PERSON CAN BE PORTRAYED BY THE IMAGE OF A PERSON–AS JEHOVAH AND JESUS ARE, YET FOR SOME REASON….For some reason, even though we see visions of God as sitting on a throne and Jesus, such representations of God’s holy spirit are never given AND WHENEVER WE LOOK AT SUCH VISIONS, THE HOLY SPIRIT SEEMS TO BE MISSING…FOR SOME REASON.Daniel, Ste…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
MARK 13:32–WHY DOESN’T THE HOLY SPIRIT KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS? ““Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32)Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human n…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
DID JESUS FOLLOWERS WORSHIP THE HOLY SPIRIT AS GOD?There is no evidence that when Jesus was on earth, faithful Jews viewed the holy spirit as a person equal to the Father. They certainly did not worship the holy spirit. Rather, their worship was directed solely to Jehovah, the One whom Jesus himself called “my Father” and “my God.”—John 20:17. Th…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
IS THE HOLY SPIRIT A PERSON OF THE TRINITY, TO BE WORSHIPED AS GOD ALMIGHTY?The answer to this is unequivocally “No.” The fact that the Bible does not explicitly mention, explain or teach a trinity is in itself strong proof that the trinity teaching is false. And this is also borne out by what the Bible teaches regarding the holy spi…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Anyway, I still haven't gotten any comments on my disection of the false belief that the holy spirit is a person, is God and is to be worshipped as part of a trinity.So, I'll repost some of what I wrote and wait for the silence or diversions.
david replied to the topic Do men ever go to heaven? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Here you go Debra. You may or may not be surprised to learn that many on here believe that no one goes to heaven, ever. Anyway, here is the thread. Enjoy.
david replied to the topic love one in the forum Faith 19 years, 9 months ago
I'll go find the thread, Debra, and bring it up.
david replied to the topic Godhead in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 9 months ago
Quote And since when is a Son equal to a Father? Usually, not ever, but I think if I remember, Is 1:18 disagrees with me. This is part of the problem. Everyone seems to have their own ideas on what the trinity is. It's not a common thing, not natural, not understandable, it's a mystery, so there is confusion of course.I believe the Catholics…[Read more]
david replied to the topic Question to the Trinitarians in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Quote Oh yea, and lets reduce Jesus to being one of the created.Yes, how ridiculous to say that a “son” is created.We all know that the word 'son' means someone who isn't created.Wait, that's wrong.Col. 1:15, 16, RS: “He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on e…[Read more]
david replied to the topic Question to the Trinitarians in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Quote Again, we have the translation of the scriptures given to us by the early Fathers.Many Godly men spent their lives and even died to give us the scriptures that we have.The Holy scriptures and the greatest teacher of all, the Holy Spirit also called the Spirit of truth is available to all believers.As I said, history and other writings is…[Read more]
david replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 9 months ago
Quote Here's my understanding David. God was in the beginning more than one being because Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.Genesis speaks of God AND the Spirit of God. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form and empty. And darkness was on the…[Read more]
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