Quote This is scriptural!Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost I have a question.If listing three together a few times proves the trinity, what does listing…[Read more]

Do you worship the holy spirit?Is there any command to do so?Is there any indication that the Jews worshipped God's spirit?Is there any incling that the Christians worshipped the holy spirit?If the holy spirit is part of the trinity, shouldn't it be worshipped?And if it should, and this would be important, you'd think, why did the early Christian…[Read more]

Quote You didnt answer the question NH.Is the Spirit of God, God himself? If the holy spirit is God's finger, his hand, is the holy spirit God?WJ, are your fingers WJ?Is your hand You?Or is it “of” you, a part of you, something you possess?

Quote You didnt answer the question NH.Is the Spirit of God, God himself? Let me answer that question for Nick:NOLET'S LOOK AT THE BIBLEIS THE HOLY SPIRIT A PERSON OF THE TRINITY, TO BE WORSHIPED AS GOD ALMIGHTY?The answer to this is unequivocally “No.” The fact that the Bible does not explicitly mention, explain or teach a trinity is in its…[Read more]

Quote Hi W,You have not been paying much attention have you.The Spirit of GodisThe Spirit of God–NickQuote NH So then the Spirit of God is God? –WJI can't believe how much trouble people have with the word “of.”I almost feel like researching it and making a thread on just that word: Son “of” God is someone who is related to God in a certain way,…[Read more]

Quote Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.The word “Godhead” Lit., “godship.” Gr., the·o′te·tos; Lat., di·vi·ni·ta′tis.I'm not sure Godhead is the right word here.Tha…[Read more]

WORSHIPPING JESUS WRITES:Quote DavidWhy dont you find something wrong with this post and get back to me.Your post looks very similar to the post of yours I just responded to. Is that all you have?Mat 28:19,20?WHICH PROVES YOUR ABILITY TO COUNT TO THREE. YIPEEEEEEEEEAnd then you have this:Quote ICor 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized…[Read more]

Quote ICor 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.WJ, why does the holy spirit seem to be often compared or paralleled to impersonal things, such as water? Can we drink a person? Can we be baptized in a person? Can a person be…[Read more]

WJ, I have some questions, for you and others who keep quoting matthew 28:MATTHEW 28:19-20“Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the c…[Read more]

Quote I am not a theologian and for me to know God by understanding the Scriptures would be a big ask.It's not me that's asking, Oxy.JOHN 17:3“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”Quote Quite frankly, in light of the arguments you have posted, I hav…[Read more]

NICK HASSEN, You're back!How was your time away?I'm wondering if you know if there is anything in this forum (that isn't in the discussion section), maybe here:https://www.heavennet.net/writings/trinity.htmthat discusses the holy spirit.While T8 spent much time on Jesus and Jehovah, I can't find anything on the holy spirit and would really like to…[Read more]

Quote I am not great when it comes to reading and I have difficulty with large posts. I know people avoid large posts. That's why I broke them down into what I think are one thought sections. One section for example being: “THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH SPEAK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN A WAY THAT INDICATES IT IS NOT A PERSON.” I then posted all…[Read more]

Oxy, the reason I am going to repost everything, and more, is that no one commented on anything I wrote and I wrote a lot.CB replied by reposting his post. He ended with Mat 28:19,20, which I had written quite a bit on, asking what it proves and how. He didn't reply to anything I said.Charity posted a string of things that I'm not sure even…[Read more]

Who here believes that people can go to heaven and why?

I don't know what to say Debra. I only found only 5 threads that even have the word “curtain” in them, and none of them were started by T8 or seem to be the discussion he is speaking of. He could have started a thread on that scripture and then never quoted it I guess. I don't know.

Quote Thank you David.By the way, I'm learning alot from your posts.God bless. thankyou for saying so debra. I think I took you to the wrong thread though. T8 said he would start one on Mat 27:51-53, I think. I have no idea where this is. But an easy way to find it would be to search the word “curtain,” as it's not a word used often on this…[Read more]

Quote the expression “the firstborn of” occurs upwards of 30 times in the Bible, and in each instance that it is applied to living creatures the same meaning applies—the firstborn is part of the group. “The firstborn of Israel” is one of the sons of Israel; “the firstborn of Pharaoh” is one of Pharaoh’s family; “the firstborn of beast” are themse…[Read more]

I think he is having great difficulty understanding the word “god.”It's true that the word “god” carries the though of someone who is worshipped.But the word “god” (Elohim) means “mighty one,” essentially.WJARE THE ANGELS FALSE GODS? (please answer this, because it seems apparent that you contradicted yourself earlier, and can't really answer this…[Read more]

Quote QuoteAll other so called Gods are false. Above should be enough.Why take the word Eloyhim and try to change the harmony of the scriptures, when this word can be used for rulers, Judges, Angels, and many other appalations.You say “all other God's are false.” A second later, you say: “this wrod can be used for …angels.”Since angels can be…[Read more]

TIMING OF THIS BELIEF’S RISE–PART OF THE FORTOLD APOSTASYNot until the fourth century C.E. did the teaching that the holy spirit was a person and part of the “Godhead” become official church dogma. Early church “fathers” did not so teach; Justin Martyr of the second century C.E. taught that the holy spirit was an ‘influence or mode of operation o…[Read more]