Again as quoted in the NT.Micah 5:2″But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”He will rule earth from earth.Sorry, Nick, again, doesn't say anything at all about him ruling…[Read more]

Quote The renewed earth will have no sea.That seems simple enough. So you are literal with the sea but not with the “new” earth. It says the former earth is gone and there is a new earth. Yet, you interpret this to mean a “renewed” earth. Yet, the literal sea is no more. You are picking and choosing what is and what isn't literal. And you…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,Where does scripture say that Christ rules in the new Jerusalem from heaven? He certainly doesn't rule it from earthly jersualem. Perhaps you noticed that this “new” jerusalem is also called “heavenly jersualem” and “jersualem above.”Perhaps you've noticed that Jesus is a mighty SPIRIT being now. Perhaps you remember that he…[Read more]

Quote But you take it on your self to make up such explanations?You have stepped off the safe ground of scripture to make these wild speculations. Revelation is a highly symbolic book, Nicolaus. We can have the Bible interpret itself or we can insert our own thoughts. I am not making up an explanation. The wicked are compared to the sea in the…[Read more]

ISAIAH 45:9“Woe to the one that has contended with his Former, as an earthenware fragment with the other earthenware fragments of the ground! Should the clay say to its former: “What do you make?” And your achievement : “He has no hands”?”PSALM 10:4“The wicked one according to his superciliousness makes no search; All his ideas are: “There is no…[Read more]

I prefer not having duplicate discussions in multiple threads. I don't know why this thread even needs to exist, since I created the “do men ever go to heaven” thread a long time ago.Please copy this question to that thread if you like.

Quote Was there a sea on earth before the flood?Yes, albeit a shallower one. gen 1:9,10. Even if it wasn't in genesis, it is simply a statement of fact. see prov 8:29Quote You are not allowed to add your own allegorical interpretations.That is what you are doing. The book of revelation is a highly symbolic book. I know you know this.There…[Read more]

Quote will come down onto the renewed earth where there is no seaSo God will do away with the evil “sea.”?The Bible says “the wicked are like the sea.”I really believe the highly symbolic book of revelation meant the sea of mankind.Quote He will rule on earth from earthly Jerusalem during the 1000 year reign. God will rule the earth from a place…[Read more]

yes, “heavenly jersualem” or “jersualem above,” the “new jersualem.”Not “jersualem.”

If it is simply to rule from jerusalem, then phrases like “heavenly jersualem” or “jersualem above” or “new jerusalem” are meaningless.

Quote Scripture tells us Christ will reign on earth from the throne of David.Where does scripture tell us this, specifically? The scripture you quoted certainly doesn't say that.Quote Presumption leads to false teaching.

See page 9 of this thread for starters.1 JOHN 3:2“Beloved ones, now we are children of God, BUT AS YET IT HAS NOT BEEN MADE MANIFEST WHAT WE SHALL BE. We do know that whenever he is made manifest WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM, because WE SHALL SEE HIM JUST AS HE IS.”(Compare 1 Joh 3:3; Mt 5:8) Jehovah God, Christ Jesus and the angels all have spirit bod…[Read more]

“yes. earth” What does that even mean?Which part of this is wrong:”These are the ones that make up the kingdom. Jesus made a covenant with his followers for a heavenly kingdom, a government that they would rule with him, as co-heirs. “

Quote Hi david,You say”No one could object that any humans who are destroyed eternally at that time did not have a chance or that their wrong course was due to imperfection. No, they will be like perfect Adam and Eve, who willingly chose to rebel against Jehovah’s righteous rule.”God's Word saysGen 1″31And God saw every thing that he had made, a…[Read more]

Quote Hi david,You say”Judgment Day will see the restoration of mankind to its original perfect state.”Mankind perfect?You must be joking. Ever hear of God, Nick? What I meant by that was that they would not have the effects of inherited sin. They would not experience degeneration. They would not be in a steady state of slow death. They would…[Read more]

“heaven” doesn't come down. “heavenly Jerusalem” does. Heavenly Jerusalem is essentially Gods heavenly kingdom.HEBREWS 11:10“For he was awaiting the city having real foundations, the builder and maker of which is God.”HEBREWS 12:22,28“But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angel…[Read more]

Quote David I agree with you, but you stopped at the end of the millenium. What will happen then?Judgment Day will see the restoration of mankind to its original perfect state. REVELATION 20:7-10“Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four c…[Read more]

Quote But you say”But eternal life in a flesh body on earth?”That is impossible.God did not design our bodies to break down. It is only because sin entered the world (and death and sickness) through sin, that we experience the harsh reality of our existence in these deteriorating bodies. God did not pre-destine Adam to sin. God wanted only…[Read more]

Nicoloas, may I call you nickolaus?I'm wondering what you think would have happened with adam and eve and their offspring if they didn't sin?They were perfect, and would have lived on earth, forever.So I wonder what the need is, in your opionon on all this talk about putting on incorruption, etc.2 PETER 1:4“Through these things he has freely g…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 05 2008,14:36)Hi 94,You say”Those who died in their sins prior to this will raised from the dead to receive their judgment which will be determined during the 1000 years.”The millenium is a time of joy and reestablishment of godly order on earth and not judgement in my view. The judgement follows.If it did not then those…[Read more]