Quote Jesus is not portrayed anywhere as a MOUTHPIECE of GOD, in any text so why are you and David insisting on it then.One definition (the one that applies) for “mouthpiece” is “spokesperson.”A spokesperson is a person who speaks for or represents another.Do you actually need a list of scriptures that show Jesus was God's spokesperson or…[Read more]

Quote Jesus is no (MOUTHPIECE) at all, He spoke through his own Mouth God's words to us.Someone who is a spokeman (speaks another person's message) is a mouthpiece. (see the definitions.)

Quote Either you can believe that the witness John was interpreting their actions and agree with their words (for he doesn’t clarify that it was a lie, neither does Yeshua correct them), or you accept that the Jews believed that because Yeshua said “God was his Father”, that he was making himself equal to God.Of course, he didin't really claim…[Read more]

Quote Well, if being a Son of God did not equate to being equal to God, then why was that a reason to crucify him? –WJ.Are you siding with the Pharisees?Was any of this a reason to kill him? The pharisees may have equated the two, but they weren't very smart were they?Being that many are called sons of God, (angels, Adam' etc), if Jesus actually…[Read more]

Quote Rather than a spokesperson for God, which can be a part time interest, Jesus really was a mouth piece for GodBoth words apply. He spoke for God, as God's chief messenger. He was sent forth by God to Give God's message. Either word applies.Can someone remind me what any of this has to do with the holy spirit.?

and of course they are not the exact same word, but one meaning of mouthpiece (other than a trumpet's mouthpiece for example) is: “spokesperson.”Jesus was God's spokesperson,or mouthpiece, not the other way around.God was not the mouthpiece (spokesman) of Jesus, as you suggest.Perhaps that word really is used differently where you live.

# a part that goes over or into the mouth of a person; “the mouthpiece of a respirator”# an acoustic device; the part of a telephone into which a person speaks# a spokesperson (as a lawyer)# (especially boxing) equipment that protects an athlete's mouth# the tube of a pipe or cigarette holder that a smoker holds in the mouth# the aperture of a…[Read more]

Quote I wish the bible was more clear-cut.Quote do you understand what Jesus said about why he spoke in illustrations?Quote I think soThen you know why it is not always clear cut.

Quote Show us as you say Scripture the says Jesus was GOD'S mouthpiece.“Mouthpiece” means “spokesman.”You yourself say: Quote I know full well Jesus was the spokesman of GOD.Mouthpiece means spokesman. There are 20 or so scriptures that clearly state Jesus was a spokesman for God. Nothing in scripture suggests God was a mouthpiece (spokesman)…[Read more]

Hi Mandy. (sorry, this post is messed up, with the quotes.)Mandy:”I think that perhaps your view of “most people” is tainted by the fact that you go door to door and solicit from people.”We don't “solicit” from anyone. We aren't selling anything. We're talking to people. Many supreme courts have had to explain to certain ones that we do not…[Read more]

T8, I'm going to start another thread on the difference between Christ's presence and his coming. Most Bible's always translate that word “coming” which is certainly not always correct and which has lead to much oonfusion.But, first I'm going to work.

Mandy, I said:They do not want to be disturbed in their view of things or their way of life. They do not want the message to penetrate to that extent.Quote I don't know anyone like that here, do you? Yes. People are generally happy with the way they live, their way of life. They're happy with their celebrations, their beliefs, their attitudes,…[Read more]

Quote it was said that he returned invisibly, even though scripture says that “every eye shall see him”. –T8THE SCRIPTURE IN QUESTION:REVELATION 1:7“Look! He is COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen.”CLOSELY RELATED SCR…[Read more]

Quote But the bible is written in English. Are you saying that the KJV is fallible, that it is not the word of god?Yes, it is written in English. But, as we know, it wasn't originally. The word “jealous” was not the original word. And no, it's not a perfect translation of the word.

Quote For I am Saved BY GRACE and that NOT of MYSELF, and i will never have room to boast the Father has made sure of that.Of course, a persons salvation is unmerited, undeserved, and only by the undeserved kindness or grace of God. We cannot save ourselves. But this does not mean effort is not required on our part. Over and over, we're told…[Read more]

Quote But the scriptures he quoted were what he had studied and learned. He had eaten of the bread of life such that he could astound the teachers at the age of 12.The Spirit has the role of REMINDING us of what is written. Unless we take responsibilty for studying the Word in an attitude of respect and submission to it as truth then we cannot…[Read more]

Quote to say the Spirit is not the mind is to say the spirit produces no intellect and then would be worthless to anyone.–gbThe spirit is not the mind.The mind is the mind. That's why we have that word…”mind.”That's not to say that the spirit cannot help the mind. For example, JOHN 14:26“But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father w…[Read more]

OK, let's make this more interesting then:JESUS IS CALLED THE “FIRST AND THE LAST” IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY AND FOR COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASONS THAN JEHOVAH IS CALLED THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND LAST. AND, WHAT'S MORE, THE CONTEXT, AND THE REST OF THE BIBLE IS ASTOUNDINGLY CLEAR ON WHY BOTH JESUS AND GOD ARE FIRST AND LAST IN…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,11:25)Quote (david @ Aug. 15 2008,11:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2008,11:07)Quote (david @ Aug. 15 2008,08:34)Quote They crucified Jesus because he said he was the Son of God.–wjI'm glad to see you're making progress WJ. :>Hi DavidHa Ha!Have you ever heard me deny Yeshua as the Son of the…[Read more]

Quote I wish the bible was more clear-cut.To Jesus, it was asked:“Why is it you speak to them by the use of illustrations?”Most people are interested in Jesus simply as a masterful storyteller and miracle worker, not as one to be served as Lord and to be unselfishly followed. They do not want to be disturbed in their view of things or their way…[Read more]