Quote Your message of self salvation is purely wrong.Quote WE are SAVED BY (GRACE) and that (NOT) of OURSELVES> you either believe that or not. Where oh where do i speak of self salvation?All I'm saying is that we are not predestined.

Quote We need to Give GOD the sole credit for our salvation which works through HIS GRACEI completely agree. But I don't know what this has to do with the question I asked that you failed to answer.It feels like, whenever you don't want to answer a question, you start talking about grace. I'm just not sure how what I asked is connected to what…[Read more]

Quote es the feel that they are the only true Church, but so do so many, Seek, why would anyone be a part of a religion that they didn't feel was true?Did not the earliest Christians believe they were the only true congregation of God's people?

Quote Are they doing what they were instructed by the master to do? Did he say bring your traditions too?–nikNick, it's almost as if someone is paying you to say this stuff. You said the same on page one:Quote Like all traditions they do not seek to correct what is false but use scriptural distortions to rationalise and justify what they teach. No…[Read more]

I guess not.

Quote Did he say bring your traditions too? Nick, JW's have shed so many traditions and beliefs that were rooted in paganism. Have you left your traditions behind?And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the…[Read more]

Quote Tradition CAN be contrary to Scripture, but it is not NECESSARILY contrary to Scripture. This is a very good point.

Gene, If God says: “The meek will inherit the earth” does that mean that he pre-destined each meek person, or does that mean that he has promised that those who are meek will inherit the earth? He knows that there will be many meek people and that these will inherit the earth. But that does not mean he predestines each individual or each one of…[Read more]

Quote and it says no man has all the truthI'm just wondering which scripture this is Gene.Quote Everyone says they have the “Holy Spirit” and that this Spirit leads them…….Everyone is going in different directions……I'm sorry but simple observation tells me that there is no Spirit leading here, it is only personal opinion driven by a good…[Read more]

Quote We cannot even agree on the smallest thing.We can take one scripture and have 6 different interpretations! Yet we all claim to the the “Spirit”….for me this is the true tell-all.Exactly. The spirit is not divided. God's people are not divided, some thinking he's a trinity, others thinking he's not. Some thinking he burns people, others…[Read more]

“Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago….Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains…When he prepared the heavens I was there; …then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I cam to be the one he was…[Read more]

Quote David…..what do you do with Eph 1:4 according as he hath chosen us before the foundations of the world.I'm going to repeat much of what I've already posted.Rom. 8:28, 29: “We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose; because those whom h…[Read more]

Quote This thread is about what biblical literalists believe. I think you're mixing up Greek astronomy or what the latin vulgate “firmamentum” means.”The word is derived from the Hebrew raqa, meaning “to spread out””http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FirmamentI don't care how others interpreted, or how it got put in some Bible. What does the actual…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Sep. 09 2008,10:51)Quote Satan means adversary and there is not one single scripture that says that the adversary is an evil supernatural being.Satan is said to be the man who has in mind the things of men.Revelations 12 shows the old serpent and Satan to be one and the same.Therefore we can conclude that Eve was having a…[Read more]

Quote Even says that people were chosen before the foundation of the world.Rom. 8:28, 29: “We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose; because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of h…[Read more]

Quote Nick…..wrong again , scripture says Jesus was sacrificed from the foundations of the world Hi Gene. What scripture is this?

Quote Either it is flat earth or geocentrismstu, this entire thread has made me lose a great deal of respect for you.Here, your either/or fallacy reminds me how blind you are.Quote simply because you used the word “firmament” and so does the KJV, you have in no way proven your point. Firmament itself is simply, and merely “āqiya‛: A masculine…[Read more]

Quote We must not get hung up on the symbolizm of the apple.–theo.WHAT APPLE?

Quote So David, does God share in the guilt as well for making the apple look good?I would never suggest God or anyone is guilty for doing something “good.”And maybe I said this wrong, but what I meant, was, Satan made the fruit look like something she should have, when clearly she had no right to it. What Satan did, wasn't good. It was a lie.…[Read more]

Quote Satan means adversary and there is not one single scripture that says that the adversary is an evil supernatural being.Satan is said to be the man who has in mind the things of men.Revelations 12 shows the old serpent and Satan to be one and the same.Therefore we can conclude that Eve was having a conversation with a human who has in mind…[Read more]