Quote David,Your tenet that Jesus is immaterial is wrapped around your chosen interpretation of one scripture. –Kerwin. (underline added)How many scriptures are below?Quote David,I agree that there are questions that are brought up by the observation of Jesus and the miraculous catch of fish after his resurrection but I do not know the answers. –…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Jan. 01 2011,18:11)Quote I have already answered all that I have to David,–shimmerShimmer, you don't have to answer anything.  In fact, my whole point is that there are many things you can't answer because your belief on this is incorrect and unscriptural.You originally brought it up.  So, I thought you could or would want to d…[Read more]

Quote David, your just quoting from the watchtower.–shimmerShimmer, it's true that I did quote from the watchtower.I can also quote you if you like.Would either in itself make my statements wrong? No, it's a fallacy to dismiss something just because a certain person or group believes it. If you cannot argue the actual point made, I understand.…[Read more]

Luke 24:36-39: “While they were speaking of these things he himself stood in their midst and said to them: ‘May you have peace.’ But because they were terrified, and had become frightened, they were imagining they beheld a spirit. So he said to them: ‘Why are you troubled, and why is it doubts come up in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, t…[Read more]

Quote “See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.” There, that's all you need to know. You either believe Jesus or you don't.–shimmerFALLACY ALERT!!!”God is my rock.” “So, you either believe he is a rock or you don't and end of story.”Wrong.”that's all you…[Read more]

Quote I have already answered all that I have to David,–shimmerShimmer, you don't have to answer anything. In fact, my whole point is that there are many things you can't answer because your belief on this is incorrect and unscriptural.You originally brought it up. So, I thought you could or would want to discuss it in some detail. My…[Read more]

In answer to the question of this thread, spirits have spirit bodies.

Quote (david @ Dec. 23 2010,15:50)Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 20 2010,18:34)David, I have looked at that verse and I won't pretend that I have all of the answers because I don't.   I do know that Jesus wasn't recognized at first, and this is simply because they were blinded with grief. It say's in Luke 24 that “Their eyes were kept from recognizing…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Jan. 01 2011,17:31)Quote Terrarica, I will (answer) tomorrow…iv ran out time. Ok…bye.–shimmerIt is a good question, and like others, I don't think you have answered this one either.  (I only looked through 5 pages, so forgive me if I'm wrong.)As Pierre (and I) asked:Quote the big argument is Christ sacrifice of his live as a…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 01 2011,17:56)No, David, I walk away from this thread and from this forum. People here like Pierre arent worth the bother with his insults, and Mike, why did you tile JA for every insult He gave you and not TILE Piere ? Pretty strange if you ask me.Hi Shimmer.I did not state that you walked away from this thread or forum.I…[Read more]

Quote You would have to ask, why did Jesus come “in the flesh” in the first place?I believe it was to give his human life as a “ransom” sacrifice Georg.I haven't seen any movies where a ransom is given and then taken back. A ransom is something given in exchange. He gave up his perfect human life, his human body. He did not then forfeit the…[Read more]

Quote But for you to call me “weak” and “afraid” when you won't even attempt to answer David's post is a little unusual, IMO.–Mike. (page 105)Yes, it's not just me that thinks it's odd shimmer doesn't really address my post.If I make my posts all encompasingly long people only pick the easy point they disagree with.If I make short posts, things…[Read more]

I think this scripture is relevant:“there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Co 15:39, 40.

Shimmer, also, there is no need to continually tell me about JW's or how you are nice to them, but don't want to be one. I understand that. But you stated that this was one key reason, so doesn't it make sense to discuss the actual reason?

Quote Terrarica, I will (answer) tomorrow…iv ran out time. Ok…bye.–shimmerIt is a good question, and like others, I don't think you have answered this one either. (I only looked through 5 pages, so forgive me if I'm wrong.)As Pierre (and I) asked:Quote the big argument is Christ sacrifice of his live as a men his body and blood ,go read the…[Read more]

The above is taken from around page 99

Quote Plus his body would have been different I'm sure..We don't know how he looked when he was raised because it doesnt say.–shimmer.Hi Shimmer. We started this discussion because you said I should stop being a JW and I think you gave 2 reasons and one of them was this belief. However, you do not want to really discuss this. At least, you do…[Read more]

Yes, Michael is “ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES.”However, in Revelation, Michael is referred to as the leader of the angels.Clearly, Michael, who leads “his angels” against Satan in throwing him down to the earth is not only “one of the chief princes,” but is the great prince.In the U.S., Obama might be “The President” and also be “one of the great”…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2010,13:22)Quote (david @ Dec. 23 2010,23:56)Pierre, if you look at what others believe, one group believes that Jesus is the arch angel meaning “chief angels.”  Nothing anywhere in scripture goes against that.Davidthanks ,for;if you look at what others believe, one group believes that Jesus is the arch angel meaning…[Read more]

Quote Is it wrong to celebrate Hanukah too at the end of December because the sun god (who doesn't even exists) was celebrated during that time by the pagans? But wouldn't purposefully picking the date of the sun god be wrong?If Hitler and Obama lived at the same time and were enemies, and Hitler died, and nazi's decided to throw a party every…[Read more]