Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 16 2011,00:30)Hi AllI suppose that they know more about the correct meaning of Zech 12:10 than the inspired Apostle John who aproximately 2000 years ago quoted the verse in John 19:37….and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.” John 19:37So why doesn't he show us how the Greek…[Read more]

The problem is, all these questions below, the whole argument in fact was based on bad translating.Quote Q1) Was the “me” that was foretold to be pierced and looked upon by the inhabitant of Jerusalem in Zech 12:10 a refererence to YHWH? If not, please provide lexical evidence to the contrary.Q2) According to John's inspired-understanding, was…[Read more]

WJ, could you perhaps explain how what John wrote (John 19:37) conflicts with anything the video said? I actually don't understand the point you are attempting to make.

Ya, that's a really good idea. I should have read this thread before I made my last comments which were similar.

http://www.jw-archive.org/2011/04/zechariah-1210-pierced-him-or-pierced.htmlI think this video explains this verse quite well.

Quote (Rena @ June 13 2011,22:05)Quote (david @ June 13 2011,06:02)I'm curious as to how many people on here live in the US and how bad things actually are there on the whole.Are you a NZer?Canada.I live in the one place in Canada where we are virtually untouched by any of this. We are booming. Houses are still going up in value. The housing…[Read more]

Quote Since Jesus is not worthy of worship he an illegitimate god in the sence of being worshiped and thus departs from the typical model which is Jahovah.If a person worships Jesus then they make him a false God. note I am using the word “God” in that sentence to mean God in the sense Jahovah is God not in the sense a judge, angel, demon, etc.…[Read more]

Quote I find it illogical to just “list” a scripture without saying WHY it shouldn't be used as a Trinitarian proof text. Just listing “the Johannine comma” or “John 10:30” does absolutely NOTHING towards showing anyone WHY they shouldn't ever be used by the Trinitarians as proof texts.The point of this thread wasn't so much debate as it is to…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 13 2011,05:56)Quote (david @ June 13 2011,00:07)No Pierre, there isn't one.  But this thread is more about “trinitarian proofs” that are so weak they should never be mentioned, and not about lack of trinitarian evidence for a certain thing.Davidare you not trying to split hairs in two ?PierreI don't think so Pierre.…[Read more]

I'm curious as to how many people on here live in the US and how bad things actually are there on the whole.

I officially abandon this thread as the purpose seems misunderstood.

No Pierre, there isn't one. But this thread is more about “trinitarian proofs” that are so weak they should never be mentioned, and not about lack of trinitarian evidence for a certain thing.

John 10:30.I get very very angry when people try to convince other people that this proves Jesus is God. It hurts my head and makes me angry.

The Johannine comma1 John 5:7-8This verse should never ever ever ever ever ever ever be used by any sane person to try to argue the trinity. It is absurd. Yet, it happens. (There. I think we all know what we are going for here. I didn't explain the reasoning behind why it is absurd, because it is so abundantly clearly absurd, I felt no need.)…[Read more]

https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=3889In this thread, we are looking for the opposite of what WJ suggested in the link above.  I'll make my explanation clear.We are looking for trinitarian “proofs” or arguments that should never ever be considered proofs because they are the weakest and most ridiculous “proofs.”(As with the counterpart, this…[Read more]

Quote Each man has always been individually responsible for his own life.Would you say we are also responsible for our children's lives?Also, did God ever count someone's error against their children, with the children suffering the consequences of the father?

This really has to do with a misunderstanding of the use of the word “true.”We tend to think of it in terms of True vs False, since we hear of false gods. A false god is “a god” that is't really a god (mighty one) at all. It is perceived as a God by some, but in reality, it has no power, so it is a false god…eyes it has, but it cannot see,…[Read more]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ June 04 2011,01:52)Quote (david @ May 31 2011,17:41)Quote If KJV is the authority then why is the New world translation the answer to the $800 question for jeopardy? The question was what was the most accurate translation?I'd be interested to know which Jeopardy episode this was?  Of course, if this really…[Read more]

What a ruler wants is UNITY.Unity of religion is included in that. The more divisions in a country, the more difficult things can become.Constantine (like all rulers) wanted unity.The difference between today and back then is, CONSTANTINE COULD KILL YOU IF YOU DISAGREE WITH HIM!Constantine blessed the trinity as official doctrine. He presided…[Read more]

A History of Christianity Volume 1 1997 Kenneth Scott Latourette”To enforce the decisions of the Council of Nicea, Constantine commanded, with the death penalty for disobedience, the burning of all books composed by Arius, banished Arius and his closest supporters, and deposed from their sees Eusebius of Nicomedia and another bishop who had been…[Read more]