I actually have no idea who all the mods are on here. Could someone list them?

How many threads are there on the “savior” trinity argument? Is this one of them?The search function works remarkably well. It is to the upper right. Thank you for from now on respecting t8's rules which I think might include sticking to the thread subject.

Posted: June 22 2011,15:05 Zechariah 12:10″I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a…[Read more]

Hi kjMy reasons for saying this are listed in the last post of page 44. But since you agree with me completely (that this is a very weak argument) I am actually quite interested in your reasoning, especially since you are a trinitarian I believe. (this would seem to make your argument all the stronger, you not being biased towards believing as…[Read more]

Kangaroo Jack, you said:Quote However, your argument against Trinitarianism on the basis of the “him” reading is erroneous because (1) the JW's have argued that Jehovah frequently referred to Himself in both in the first and third persons in the same breath and (2) Christ is presented as EQUAL to Jehovah in 13:7:It bothers me when people say an…[Read more]

The ASV says in a footnote for “me” in Zech. 12:10: “According to some MSS , `him'.”For a list of some of the bibles that translate it “him” see last post on page 44 of this thread.Pierre, I don't think it should be “me.”. Do you?

You know you repeated the first nine paragraphs?

Zechariah 12:10″I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.”Some manuscripts have…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2011,11:36)Quote (david @ June 21 2011,17:40)WJ, your argument is definitely a valid one as far as arguing against the video I presented.  But, how would you address the above.DavidI already have. Since you think Zech 12:10 could be “me or him” then that means to you it is “ambiguous”.I choose to interpret the…[Read more]

Hi lighten upSo, your post is basically about Simon Peter. This thread is on Simon the magician and the trinity.

Quote Hi AllI suppose that they know more about the correct meaning of Zech 12:10 than the inspired Apostle John who aproximately 2000 years ago quoted the verse in John 19:37….and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.” John 19:37–wjYou are right in that this does seem to point in the direction you believe,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2011,08:25)Quote (david @ June 18 2011,15:16)SO, is it “me” or is it “him”?Hi DavidTake your pick. I believe it is “me” because the prologue of John starts with “the Word was with God and the Word was God” and near the end of Johns testimony we see Thomas calling Jesus his Lord and God without rebuke or correction…[Read more]

Quote So no David this topic is not dead since Moses, and others claimed to talk to YHWH face to face and again we know they did not see the Father.Perhaps this topic is dead and perhaps it isn't. But the above (other possible trinitarian evidence) has nothing to do with whether this possible evidence (of Zech 12:10) is actually evidence in…[Read more]

Actually, it's not ironic. Its just funny that a trinitarian would say that.

“That teaching comes from Greek Mythology…..” –wjIronic quote of the day.

I declare this argument dead.

My last post on page 44. I would really like a response to it.

Quote uotes in the New Testament are often that, quotes. They speak a part and then you recite the rest of scripture that the quote was taken from.e.g., when Jesus said “My God my God, was hast thou forsaken me”, it would have made the hearers who were familiar with scripture think of the Psalm that starts off with that line and then goes into the…[Read more]

Are you confusing David with Davidbfun?

I remember a long time ago thinking this was a quite strong trinitarian argument, one of the strongest ones in fact. (zech 12:10)Is 1:18's Argument seemed quite solid. I guess that was because it was based on a false premise, and not having spent any time considering the verse, upon reading his post, there was no obvious defense (without…[Read more]