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    Hi, Jodi

    YOU: Perfect scripture that shows Jesus did not pre-exist as God’s WORD.

    Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up to JUSTICE,
    Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself,
    the word (JESUS) of JUSTICE shall go out of my mouth,…
    John 16:27 …. have believed that I(“THE WORD”) came out from God.
    28I came forth from the Father…
    Isaiah 4…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: READ Isaiah 45 it is clear that Jesus did not pre-exist, 
    Isaiah 45:13 I HAVE RAISED him up to justice,….
    Jodi: I HAVE RAISED is in the

    PRESENT PERFECT TENSE
    AN ACTION COMPLETED IN THE PAST!
    JESUS PRE-EXISTED  (1)
    Answer Jodi:

    WHEN HAVE GOD RAISED JESUS?
    Isaiah45:15 Verily thou art a hidden God,…
    YOU ARE A HIDDEN G…[Read more]

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    carmel replied to the topic World of spirits? in the forum Truth or Tradition 5 years ago

    Hi, Jodi

     

    YOU: We are told directly by Paul that celestial messengers have BODIES

     

    thus they are not spirit entities.

     

    Jodi WHAT DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY

     

    SPIRIT ENTITIES?

     

    WHAT ARE SPIRITS?

    1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body: it shall rise a spiritual body. If there be a natural body,

    there is also a spiritual…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    YOU:

    The below passage is not present tense, it is Isaiah revealing the future truth of what God says concerning the son of Jesse and what God is going to accomplish through him.

    Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect,

    in whom my soul delighteth;  THE WORD “DELIGHTS” IS IN THE PRESENT TENSE. Jodi!

     I have put my Sp…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: Isaiah 42 and 45 give you direct proof that Jesus did not pre-exist as God’s Word.

    Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant,

    I will uphold him:

    my elect, my soul delighteth in him:

     

    Jodi IN THE ABOVE GOD’S SOUL
    DELIGHTS
    IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN.

    THE WORD DELIGHTS IS IN THE PRESENT TENSE! A REFERENCE TO THE

    PAST, PRESENT, and F…[Read more]

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    God promised that He would rest His Spirit upon the son of Jesse, FOR the purpose

    to SEND him out among his brethren

    TO preach God’s word and deliver captives from darkness (Isaiah 11, 42, 61).

     

    FIRST AND FOREMOST Jodi
    JESUS WAS NEVER SENT AMONG HIS BRETHREN!
    Produce scriptures Jodi which affirm your sayings above.

    Also NONE of Isaiah’s 1…[Read more]

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    Hi,Jodi

    YOU: God promised that He would rest His Spirit upon the son of Jesse,

     

    WHERE IN SCRIPTURE CLEARLY and SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT

    GOD PROMISED THAT

    HE WOULD REST HIS SPIRIT UPON JESUS?

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ/

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    HI, Jodi,

    YOU: One thing we need to establish again is that I don’t want to debate your special interpretations where you tell me you have received God’s Spirit to decode secret meanings to passages and I am suppose to believe you. I will not converse with you if you cannot take your belief and back it up with what the scripture directly say…[Read more]

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    carmel replied to the topic World of spirits? in the forum Truth or Tradition 5 years ago

    Hi Jodi,

    MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICT.

    celestial
    adjective

    ce·​les·​tial | sə-ˈles-chəl  , -ˈlesh-, -ˈle-stē-əl

    Definition of celestial
    (Entry 1 of 2)
    1: of, relating to, or suggesting heaven or divinity celestial beings
    2: of or relating to the sky or visible heavens the sun, moon, and stars are celestial bodies

    3a: ETH…[Read more]

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    carmel replied to the topic World of spirits? in the forum Truth or Tradition 5 years ago

    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: Angels are living beings that God made and we are directly told that they have BODIES, thus they are not spirits.

    WITH EVERY RESPECT Jodi:

    the bodies of angels are not

    BODIES AS YOU CARNALLY MINDED CONCLUDE!

    WELL ASSERTED IN

    1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    Let’s start with the phrase

    CALLED YOU IN RIGHTEOUSNESS!

    The very first post I posted regarding the above phrase and where I produced your posting regarding

    Isaiah 42:6 is hereunder read:

    YOU: Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness,

    You simply produced the above piece of a particular scripture to justify your…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    Let’s start with the phrase

    CALLED YOU IN RIGHTEOUSNESS!

    The very first post I posted regarding the above phrase and where I produced your posting regarding

    Isaiah 42:6 is hereunder read:

    YOU: Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness,

    You simply produced the above piece of a particular scripture to justify your…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: Isaiah 6 is about Isaiah becoming a prophet.

    “here am I, send me” is Isaiah speaking.

    IS THAT ALL?

    You posted from Isaiah6:1 to 6:10 but it seems to me it is of no use at all to you.

    The fact that Isaiah BECAME A PROPHET and spoke regarding a particular TASK,

    IT MEANS NOTHING TO YOU?

    It didn’t occur to you that prophets came…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: I didn’t produce a piece of a particular scripture to justify my truth, for you to even say such a thing must either mean you have a serious problem with basic comprehension or you actually haven’t really ever read any of my posts.

    What did you justify

    WITH ALL YOUR POSTS YOU POSTED then

    LIES?

    Now back to my que…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness,

    You simply produced the above piece of a particular scripture to justify your truth!

    Please expand and be more clear what actually you understand with the above

    piece of scripture especially the phrase:

    CALLED YOU IN RIGHTEOUSNESS! Also 

    WHY DID GOD CALL JESUS FOR SUCH…[Read more]

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    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: More curious to know, what remained that actually came down from heaven

    Hereunder Jodi, are scriptures which clearly say:

    WHAT REMAINED ON EARTH THAT ACTUALLY CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

    Now Jodi, if you are a spiritually-minded person, it’s up to you, to be aware of hidden truths in these scriptures and quench your thirst with, in r…[Read more]

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    Hi t8,

    YOU: There are two Adams. If Jesus is a mere man from Adam, then all will die because all will inherit death.

    Thankfully, we believe that Jesus Christ the Son of God came from the Father and not Adam. In the son we will live.

    Perfectly right!

    Scripture is clear hereunder:

    1Corinthians 15:47

    The first man was of the earth, earthy: (…[Read more]

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    Questions,

    Hi Jodi,

    YOU: What exactly did this anointed spirit son empty himself OF?

    More curious to know, what remained that actually came down from heaven and was combined with human flesh to make a one of a kind being?

    AND even more curious to know, that which remained and came down what purpose did it serve?

     

    YOU: What exactly did th…[Read more]

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    Questions,

    What exactly did this anointed spirit son empty himself OF?

    More curious to know, what remained that actually came down from heaven and was combined with human flesh to make a one of a kind being?

    AND even more curious to know, that which remained and came down what purpose did it serve?

     

    From the above questions, it is ev…[Read more]

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