So, An Atheist walks into a Church

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,11:13)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2010,10:48)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,09:57)Hi BD:Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,09:57)Hi BD:Quote John 3:16-18 (King James Version) 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 20 2010,00:20)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2010,20:36)So many parables Jesus taught and yet you seem to miss out on what's right before your eyes.Bod bod bod, still trying to change people, still trying to get them to believe that Islam is the only way, still trying to get them to see what you believe is the truth, you do not…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,14:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2010,14:12)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,13:26)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2010,13:09)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,09:08)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2010,15:40)Marty and FrancisJesus said that God does not condemn the guitless, it is not what he doesBut if ye had known what this…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 19 2010,14:17)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,10:20)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 18 2010,14:21)Ed J,Let's recap.  According to you:His punishment = crucifixion (i.e. “first death” only)My punishment = “first death” and “second death”Hi WIT,If you repent then you will only face the first death.Ed J (Joshua…[Read more]

It doesn't even matter what Jesus thinks because his doctrine is not his own according to him:Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.John 7:15-17So Jesus would agree with me whether he was crucified or not because either way it is not his doctrine

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,13:26)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2010,13:09)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,09:08)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2010,15:40)Marty and FrancisJesus said that God does not condemn the guitless, it is not what he doesBut if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the…[Read more]

By the way Jesus didn't say all are sinners that is something we were taught but Jesus said clearly:I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Luke 5:31-33When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to…[Read more]

Quote (francis @ Aug. 19 2010,10:24)Hello Marty and Asana…It appears that we 3 agree that Jesus never sinned.  Am I correct?And yet it also appears that you both do not believe that Jesus was both fully divine and fully human as mainstream Christianity teaches.  It appears that you both believe that Jesus was a man like the rest of us… and n…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,09:08)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2010,15:40)Marty and FrancisJesus said that God does not condemn the guitless, it is not what he doesBut if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.Matthew 12:6-8But why is it you keep telling me God does condemn…[Read more]

Quote (francis @ Aug. 19 2010,05:13)Hello davidbfun…What “religion”, “Christian sect” etc, would you label yourself as?  If don't like labels, then which “religion”… and/or “Christian sect”… and/or “Christian denomination” etc… would you consider are closely aligned with what your believe?I've already noticed that you do not believe that…[Read more]

Marty and FrancisJesus said that God does not condemn the guitless, it is not what he doesBut if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.Matthew 12:6-8But why is it you keep telling me God does condemn the guitless and that Jesus became a curse for you and what's worse is…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,14:45)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 18 2010,14:21)Ed J,Let's recap.  According to you:His punishment = crucifixion (i.e. “first death” only)My punishment = “first death” and “second death”Now let's review the relevant part of the Sinbad & Goodman story:Let's say that it is well known in this fictitious little town that…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,07:11)Hi BD:In the scriptures that you posted which I will post below, Jesus was having a discussion with the Saducees who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead, and he said:Quote Luke 20:34And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35But they which shall…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,06:39)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 18 2010,06:26)Marty wrote:Quote God desires to have mercy on all who are in this first state of separation from him, and that is the answer to your question. Then, why did Jesus need to die at all?  If it's simply about mercy then why isn't an individual's repentance enough?(Before you…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,06:58)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,09:35)Even if Jesus was killed or crucified Jesus said that that still would not seperate him or any believer from God nor could he ever be considered dead:He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.Mark 12:26-28 For he is not a God of…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,06:11)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 18 2010,01:20)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2010,10:12)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 17 2010,14:36)Ed J and Marty,Until you actually address the following question, I don't think that we can have a coherent discussion:If my punishment for sin is supposed to be death with no resurrection how can my…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2010,12:24)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,09:31)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2010,09:06)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 16 2010,11:26)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,08:40)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 16 2010,05:11)Marty and Shimmer,I appreciate the Sunday school lesson, but you both completely failed to address the scenario that I laid…[Read more]

Even if Jesus was killed or crucified Jesus said that that still would not seperate him or any believer from God nor could he ever be considered dead:He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.Mark 12:26-28 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.Luke 20:37-39