Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2012,15:14)BD,Quote I have nothing but respect for your love of God but it is for that very reason I am discussing this issue with you it is truly out of love, respect and admiration.Thank you for the compliment  I love and respect you as well and that is why I am spending time down here with you. Quote Now with your…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2012,05:41)Mike,you ask:Quote So, jammin Jr., before you continue posting these doctored translations, you ought to first show proof that they are legit, don't you think?Number 1…don't call me Jammin' Jr. Number 2…Can there be any degree of proof for you that shows ANY translation as legit? What does legit mean in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2012,05:20)BD and Mike,Of course we are talking theory here because we aren't given specifics in scripture. As I have said, early on in this discussion, your mother had 1/2 of the DNA that has always belonged to you within the particular ovum that became you, in her ovary, right from birth. Many years later, this ovum is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2012,16:48)BD,Your questions with my answers:So let me get this straight you say that Jesus is a Begotten God, correct?Almost…I say that Jesus is THE ONLY Begotten God.But you say he was always begotten, yes or no?No, not always begotten, but begotten before the agesYou say that the Father was never begotten,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2012,15:13)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 01 2012,01:35)Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,17:10)BD,you said:Quote So during the time he hadn't been given “the name” yet, what was his name and what was the Name of the one who gave him the Name.You are saying that YHWH was a being who gave the name YHWH to another being whom we…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2012,17:10)BD,you said:Quote So during the time he hadn't been given “the name” yet, what was his name and what was the Name of the one who gave him the Name.You are saying that YHWH was a being who gave the name YHWH to another being whom we also call Jesus. Doesn't this mean that Jesus was not always named YHWH?They…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 31 2012,09:25)Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2012,22:12)Actually, this description is about a unity of 2 being God and Lord, a single being called 'God' and another single being called 'Lord.'Then wouldn't the unity of the two always be called “Lord God”?  Why is the unity so often called by just the name of the “God” part of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2012,15:12)BD,I did not say there was a time when the only begotten God didn't have a name, I said that there may have been a time that He hadn't been given it yet.As an earthly example, again, I could have decided the names for all five of my kids before I even conceived the first. Each child was officially given the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2012,09:49)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 29 2012,03:29)Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2012,16:33)BD,Before Jesus came as the Christ, His name was YHWH…the Father gave Him His own name…both were YHWH. Then after YHWH, the Son, became flesh He was also called YahuShua, some spell it Yeshua, YahShua. The name YHWH is YaHuWaH or…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2012,16:33)BD,Before Jesus came as the Christ, His name was YHWH…the Father gave Him His own name…both were YHWH. Then after YHWH, the Son, became flesh He was also called YahuShua, some spell it Yeshua, YahShua. The name YHWH is YaHuWaH or YaHuWeH. There is a 'Yah' in YahuShua, the name Jesus. So, I would say that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2012,14:05)BD,The Father, it seems.Whi is The Father what is this personal name he gave to Jesus?Here is a hint:King James Version (KJV)26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2012,13:20)BD,The Father's name is YHWH/Jehovah.The Son's name is YHWH/Jehovah.The general name for the unity of the Father with the Son is YHWH/Jehovah.The Son became flesh and His name became LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, Yeshua for short.  God's name was in Him.1 Cor 8:6Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)To u…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2012,22:17)BD,Even today we have sons that have the exact name of their father, even the middle name is the same, and they put Jr. or II after their name to show a distinction. In the OT and NT Jehovah is used for the Father or the Son or both in the general sense. Just like context would tell you the difference if…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2012,08:34)Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2012,01:05)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2012,11:13)Dear sweet Kathi:) I have come to the conclusion that there is no way to out argue or convince you that you are wrong and the reason is simple you are arguing from inference and that is why there are so many Christian denominations…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2012,13:49)Mike,Here is an example showing that the original NT was in Aramaic and later translated to Greek:Aramaic Bible in Plain EnglishMark 5:41 And he took the girl's hand and he said to her, “Little girl, arise.”This Aramaic Bible in Plain English just translates from Aramaic to English. It doesn't translate the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2012,12:41)Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2012,22:45)The phrase which you don't seem to understand from Tertullian, “He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another” is merely showing us that two different persons were involved in the act of creating and that things weren't created from just one…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2012,07:38)Hi Asana,Some mss have “god” while others have “son”.  Here is a long read about it from NETNotes:tc The textual problem μονογενὴς θεός (monogenh” qeo”, “the only God”) versus ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός (Jo monogenh” Juio”, “the only son”) is a notoriously difficult one. Only one letter would have differen…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2012,08:18)Quote (seekingtruth @ July 20 2012,21:21)You judge from human standards giving no thought to the impact that disobedience of the law brings to society. You believe that God hates those who are killed, but I believe it can best be understood as a cancer, infection, or injury  where one has to choose between removal…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2012,12:44)John 1:18 NIV18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.That scripture is also from the NIV, Kathi, and it is probably the most nonsensical translation anyone could come up with for John 1:18.  Really?  No one has ever seen God, but thousands hav…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ July 20 2012,12:53)Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,21:43)Quote (Stu @ July 19 2012,08:23)Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,02:19)Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25)No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.Immediately upon coming down from the…[Read more]